Why wasn't the cordless $30 combo from WallyWorld a better solution?
They were even questioning it in that article... lag times, etc.
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:48 PM, PRoPHeTiZeR <prophetizer@wrup.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> u can use a keyboard and mouse on the 360 fools
>
> http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/xcm-brings-pcstyle-gaming-to-your-360-217332.php
>
>
>
> Alex Atkin wrote:
>
> Is that the exception to the rule? Because I was pissed that Microsoft said
>
> they wouldn't allow keyboard and mouse controls on the 360 in games. I
> would
> be happy to play UT3 on 360 with a keyboard and mouse, I have played
> it on
> the TV using the PC - although being that close did make me kinda
> dizzy.
>
> Alex.
>
> On Thursday 17 April 2008 16:32:25 PSCG Cleveland wrote:
>
> LOL, well apparently you haven't watched my other half play FFXI on
> our
> home 360 with that very same keyboard & mouse plugged into the
> USB port?
> That line has blurred significantly!
>
> I mean my PC here in the office isn't
> as loaded up and powerful on
> the hardware/graphics side as any 360 we have.
> Only advantage I'd
> have is a larger HDD and burning capability on the
> DVD-RW, otherwise
> my CPU, GPU & RAM are underpowered in comparison.
>
> On Thu,
> Apr 17, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Alex Atkin <yahoo@maewhitman.com> wrote:
>
> I suppose at the end of the day, its all your perception of what a PC
> is.
> Seeing as it stands for Personal Computer you could argue your cell
> phone
> is a PC or any number of things. But in this context I think we mean
> a
> device with a graphics chip, fairly powerful CPU and USB ports so you
> can
> use a keyboard and mouse.
>
> Alex.
>
> On Thursday 17 April 2008 15:30:48
> PSCG Cleveland wrote:
>
> I think that was a point I'd made tho, PC's require a separated Vid
> card to
> come close to what's inside the GPU on the 360.
>
> But, I'll differ with you
> on the statement of nothing exists that's
> as good as a midrange card, I just
> fired off a PC system with an ECS
> motherboard and an NVidia GPU onboard
> splitting 1GB of RAM, 256MB to
> the onboard GPU. Didn't see any major
> problems beyond the expected
> little bugs from some games the guy's playing
> on it because of the
> variations of ATI, NVidia, etc. as I mentioned. So they
> do and have
> existed and they've seriously improved with AMD buying ATI out
> and
> NVidia scrambling to partner up with other mobo manufacturers so
> they
> don't get shut out. Both make vid cards that obviously outperform
> and
> all-in-one setup as well.
>
> The main comparison I made was that 360
> games and even PS3 games
> run best on those consoles because there's no
> variables like a PC.
> It's all one way or the highway. If there was only one
> PC mobo
> manufacturer and we all had the same stuff in our PC's we'd see
> the
> same effect.
>
> I know we could go on and start heading off-topic arguing
> the points
> about the PC/360 bit, but the 360 still remains as close to
> an
> all-in-one PC as you're going to find. Mobo, RAM, CPU, GPU, HDD,
> Disc
> Drive, USB's, removable drives and far more are the same as thsoe
> on
> PC's. I mean someone's already cracked the 360's OS and lock-outs
> and
> have been running Linux on the fool things for like a year? I think
> the
> story was reprinted in here even... If that ain't the definition of
> a PC, I
> don't know what is!
>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:39 AM, Alex Atkin
> <yahoo@maewhitman.com>
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> People always say the 360 is a PC but that's not exactly true. You
> aren't
> giving credit to Microsoft for the shared memory architecture.
>
> Sure, PCs
> also have shared memory but its a completely different
> beast to the 360.
> There isn't a single PC on the market that shares
> the system RAM with the
> GPU that actually is any good (compared to a
> mid-range graphics card with
> its own RAM). The memory in a PC is
> simply too bottlenecked with the chipset
> and with too little
> bandwidth to handle both system and graphics operations.
> However by
> some custom magic the 360 CAN handle that and its even a benefit
> to
> it, whereas on the PC its a curse that slows the whole thing down.
>
> I'm
> not saying the 360 doesn't have anything in common with a PC.
> But by that
> logic almost all computing devices are PCs. Fact is,
> theres only so many
> configurations for a CPU, GPU, RAM and how to
> interface those parts with
> each other (the chipset). So of course it
> has stuff in common with PCs, as
> does any games console with a
> dedicated GPU, your broadband router, your DVD
> player, etc. Heck,
> the early HD-DVD and Blu-ray players use Pentium 4s as
> their CPU.
>
> The only difference is that devices which do not necessarily
> need to
> be as powerful as a PC are customised so that all the chipset,CPU
> etc
> can be in a single chip rather than a PC which has them scattered
> across
> the motherboard for heat dissipation and upgradability.
>
> Sorry to go on, but
> I find it hugely disrespectful to the hardware
> designers to say that the 360
> is ONLY a PC crammed into a smaller
> box. Particularly as some PCs are almost
> as small as the 360 but
> don't overheat. So you also have to respect the fact
> that the
> hardware design of the 360 has been customised BADLY in
> some
> respects. It needed a slightly bigger box for sufficient airflow,
> they
> even clearly changed the settings on the fans in dashboard
> updates because
> they realised that. Mine clearly ramps the fan speeds
> up much quicker than
> it used to (both before and after they replaced
> the motherboard).
>
> Alex.
>
> On
> Wednesday 16 April 2008 20:41:53 PSCG Cleveland wrote:
>
> Oh no argument there at all, I mean the 360 IS a PC! It's an AMD
> custom box
> packed in like a sardine and given a limited set of
> functionality by it's
> hardware and it's operating system. Other
> systems like the NES, SNES and
> PSOne on up until the OBX were
> custom-designed from the ground up to be game
> consoles. Finally
> the dopes got smart and figured out the PC guys had it
> right, take
> their hardware instead and just revamp it.
>
> So I'm fully with
> ya on the PC's place in gaming overall, there
> are things a 360 or PS3 won't
> or can't do that a PC has the option
> to provide... such as huge hard drives,
> multiple displays and more.
> I started using 'twins' (2 monitors) about 7
> years ago on my main
> tower and now I can't live without it. Laptop drives me
> nuts in
> comparison, widescreen helps over my old one that finally
> got
> retired, but I gotta have at least the 2 monitors and only dream
> of
> having the cabbage around to go to 3 or 4 and get some games that
> can
> handle displays like that seamlessly!
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:04 PM,
> Alan K. Martinez
>
> <akmartinez1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Remember the PC has its place in the gaming industry too…
>
> It was the a
> match made in heaven with PC's and the gaming
> industry in the early 90's in
> my opinion.
>
> It was because of the high demands of games and people
> with
> disposable income at the time that created the demand for bigger
> better
> faster bad ass CPU's, Video cards and everything else… If
> it weren't for
> gaming then PC industry wouldn't be where it is
> now… we might be stuck in
> the 486/66Mhz era for a while longer…
>
> At least that's my
> opinion…
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From: Xbox@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Xbox@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Bruce Ferguson
> Sent: Tuesday,
> April 15, 2008 9:13 PM
> To: Xbox@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Xbox] Re: Sony
> to MS: You've punched yourself out
> of the fight
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I think games are
> better on the console then PC. That is what I
> used to play on. I saw the
> light one day when a new Thief game
> came out. I really liked that game and
> excitedly bought it. Geee
> it doesn't work. OH, look there is a new feature(
> can't remember
> the name) for shadows, firelight etc. Now I need a new
> video
> card, so you buy the card well Direct X needs to be upgraded.
> Dam now
> the sound card has problems. They don't make drivers for
> it any more. Those
> are the simple things and I am not looking
> into memory or processor speed.
> This was not just one game.
> Every time something new came out it was
> dinking with drivers.
> One day I was in Toys-R-US and there is my Thief game
> for Xbox.
> How much is the Xbox????----$150. Bought the console, bought
> the
> game. Connected everything and dropped in the disk and
> everything worked
> no hassles with hardware or software. I have
> not looked back since then. Now
> I have upgraded to an Elite and
> love it. Ohhh the PC????? Now it is for
> internet, e-mail paying
> bills etc. and for looking up web sites when I am
> stuck. I can
> have both running at the same time. Neat huhhhh.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> Alex
> Atkin wrote:
>
>
> I was wondering the same.
>
> I for one am not ready to ditch
> the 360 quite yet. In fact, the
> consoles are about at the point where
> releasing a new console
> will make minimal differences to the games so I am
> perfectly
> happy to stick with 360 for some time to come, even if PC
> inches
> its way past in graphical power.
>
> Speaking of that though, I do not
> think PC games are vastly
> surpassing the 360
> at all. Its going to take a
> while until enough people have good
> enough PCs for the games to really
> outshine the 360. It was
> fairly obvious when the PC was a greater resolution
> or at least
> progressive scan when TVs were not. Now in the HD era,
> the
> difference is less noticable.
>
> The only thing I dislike about the 360 is
> how damn noisy it is.
> Although I am
> lucky in that I am only on my second
> console and I had NO DRM
> hassle when they replaced the motherboard and
> DVD-ROM drive, they
> migrated my old consoles serial number to the new
> motherboard.
>
> Am I the only person still bothered about achievements? I
> still
> find it hard to play Wii and PC games due to the lack of
> achievements.
> Yes I know some PC games have em, but if its a
> choice between the same game
> on PC or 360 I choose 360 so they do
> not count.
>
> Alex.
>
> On Tuesday 15 April
> 2008 14:57:28 PRoPHeTiZeR wrote:
>
> why do u think 360 is on it's last legs? it might be 50%
> through it's
> lifespan, maybe.
>
> PogoWolf wrote:
>
> Yes.. and the PS3 has been out for how long? It was expected
> to outsell the
> 360 by now.
> again, the 360 is going on it's last legs, and Blu-Ray is
> now
> standard..
>
> of course, that's not how Sony spins the story though.
>
>
> On
> Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:47 AM, PRoPHeTiZeR
> <prophetizer@wrup.net
> <mailto:prophetizer@wrup.net>> wrote:
>
> actually, ps3 has been outselling 360
> the past 2-3 months
>
> PogoWolf wrote:
>
> Still no where near the Wii and the 360, and it's close
> enough to the death
> of HD-DVD.
> and it's not that I hate Sony. I hate the bait and switch
> tactics
> they use and I hate
> the 'our shit doesn't stink' attidude of their
> marketing. I
> play EQ2, so it's not like
> i'm not giving money to Sony. I
> still won't own one unless I
> win one.. One is given to me,
> or I finally get
> an HD TV with a new sound system and want a
> 'HD' DVD player.
>
> Now stop being
> a Fanboy.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:24 AM,
> PRoPHeTiZeR
> <prophetizer@wrup.net <mailto:prophetizer@wrup.net>> wrote:
>
> no,
> quinn is quite wrong, sales got really strong in
> december/january, before
> hd-dvd was announced dead, you just
> hate sony
>
> PogoWolf wrote:
>
> Sorry man.. Quinn was correct with one statement: "the
> system would fail if
> not for that drive."
> that's true, and the numbers prove it. As soon as
> people
> found out that HD-DVD was dead
> that's when sales started to pick back
> up.
>
> It will be interesting to see what the next year will bring
> for the
> PS3, since the 360 is on it's last legs
> the 'holy crap!' moments will be few
> and far between. Where
> as the PS3 is supposed to have more
> power, so the
> developers should just be starting to see
> what the PS3 can pull off.
>
> but
> damn.. Lair is the best game.. the PS3 is doomed to
> doing nothing more then
> play movies.
> oh wait.. there's also Ridge Racer!!!!!
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008
> at 8:36 AM, PRoPHeTiZeR
> <prophetizer@wrup.net <mailto:prophetizer@wrup.net>>
> wrote:
>
> well, your not even close to correct, you probably only
> think this
> because your a typical fanboy. but lets be
> clear about this, almost any game
> that comes out for
> 360, is also on the ps3, the ps3 has a rather
> large
> library, but not a lot of exlusives. ps3 is a fantastic
> system, though
> 360 is my system of choice, for the
> controller and online play, but i do
> love my ps3 as well
>
> plus, i'm a HD whore, so i love my bluray too
> LOL
>
> Quinn Aguirre wrote:
>
> nobody has 15 games for their ps3 because they all suck
> for the most part.
> everyone has been buying it for the
> bluray they dont play games on it. the
> system would
> fail if not for that drive. the real game players are
> on 360 or
> their PS2 not the PS3 thats plain and
> simple. ~Quinn
>
> */Erik Sundquist
> <lotw_1@yahoo.com>
> <mailto:lotw_1@yahoo.com>/* wrote:
>
> The funny thing is
> that all of the new PS3 games
> are putting large
> amounts, 3-5g of data onto
> the HD the 1st time you
> put a game into
> the PS3 due to the slowness of the
> blue-ray drive.
> So you purchase a
> game, pop it into your PS3 and wait 5-20
> minutes
> before you can play
> it while it copies data. I know why it is
> being
> done, so that the
> game loads/streams faster, but there is no
> choice,
> automatically
> takes the HD space away for any game. If you do
> the
> math those poor
> people who own the 40g version will put about 15
> games
> into their
> system and the HD will be full (averaging 3g per
> game). If
> you
> delete that data from the HD it will force the
> auto-reload of that
> data
> the next time you play that game, another 5-20
> minute wait.
> Good move Sony,
> way to make users feel loved.
>
> --- In
> Xbox@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Xbox%40yahoogroups.com>, "PSCG
> Cleveland"
> <pscgcleveland@...> <mailto:pscgcleveland@...>
>
> wrote:
>
> Ain't this more like 'Sony gloats having gotten
>
> away with payola
>
>
> and holding a gun to people's heads to ensure
>
> BluRay won out'?
>
>
> Ya know as more of an MS fan in the console wars
>
> to this point,
>
>
> I've had the decency not to run Sony into the
>
> ground as the pompus
>
>
> asses they are, but this schmuck makes me want to
>
> take them
>
>
> down constantly anymore.
>
> If y'all remember, I can be quoted as saying Sony
>
> would instantly
>
>
> turn into smug (*#$(#*$(* shortly after pulling
>
> their underhanded
>
>
> deals.
>
> I think the cat says it all!
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:40 AM,
> Nelson Pacheco
>
> <nelson@...> <mailto:nelson@...> wrote:
>
>
> LOL
>
> Thanks,
> Nelson
>
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> unch ed-
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>
>
>
> <http://www.gamepro.com/sony/ps3/games/features/
>
> 174588.shtml>Sony is back
>
>
>
> to their typical mudslinging ways (because we
>
> all know Microsoft
> is an
>
>
>
> angel) when, in an interview with
>
> GamePro<http://www.gamepro.com/
> sony/ps3/games/features/174588.shtml>,
>
>
>
> Sony's Marketing VP Scott Steinberg mocked
>
> Microsoft's marketing
> strategy
>
>
>
> saying that they "may have punched themselves
>
> out of the fight".
> Really?
>
>
>
> In the interview, Steinberg decided to
>
> gloat<http:/
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> www.xbox360fanboy
>
> <http://www.xbox360fanboy/>.com/category/console-wars/>abo
> ut
> the
>
> PS3's
>
>
>
>
> upcoming
> catalog of games, console features and superb
>
>
>
> Blu-ray tech all while pointing out that their
>
> "competition has
> already
>
>
>
> leveraged all their big assets in the first
>
> couple of years" and
> doesn't
>
>
>
> have anything left to offer. A metaphorical
>
> knockout to one's
> self.
>
>
>
> Steinberg further went on to say that they "are
>
> the [HD movie]
> standard"
>
>
>
> with a "formula [that] is going to drive
>
> consumers to the PS3"
> ... amazing.
>
>
>
> So, we guess a hugely successful Xbox Live
>
> Arcade, a Video
> Marketplace,
>
>
>
> games like *Halo Wars*
>
> <http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/tag/halo-
> wars>, *Ninja
>
>
>
> Gaiden II* <http://ninja-gaiden-ii/>, *Fable
>
> 2*<http://
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> <http://www.xbox360fanboy/>.com/tag/fable-2>,
>
>
>
> *Banjo-Kazooie 3*
>
> <http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/tag/banjo-kazooie-
> 3> and *Gears
>
>
>
> of War 2*
>
> <http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/tag/gears-of-war-2>
> don't
> mean
>
>
>
> much to Mr. Steinberg and his magical, global
>
> warming ending,
> world peace
>
>
>
> bringing Blu-ray technology.
>
> Read
>
> <http://www.gamepro.com/sony/ps3/games/features/
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