On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:42 PM, PRoPHeTiZeR <prophetizer@wrup.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> i don't expect people to agree, i expect them to blindly follow
>
> Alex Atkin wrote:
>
> Lies, all lies. You KNOW you like a good argument. Wheres the fun when
>
> everyone just agrees with you all the time?
>
> Alex.
>
> On Thursday 17 April
> 2008 16:41:48 PRoPHeTiZeR wrote:
>
> omg where did u come from i thought u died it was nice hearing people
> being
> correct for a change
>
> Alex Atkin wrote:
>
> People always say the 360 is a PC but that's not exactly true. You
> aren't
> giving credit to Microsoft for the shared memory architecture.
>
> Sure, PCs
> also have shared memory but its a completely different beast to
> the 360.
> There isn't a single PC on the market that shares the system
> RAM with the
> GPU that actually is any good (compared to a mid-range
> graphics card with
> its own RAM). The memory in a PC is simply too
> bottlenecked with the chipset
> and with too little bandwidth to handle
> both system and graphics operations.
> However by some custom magic the 360
> CAN handle that and its even a benefit
> to it, whereas on the PC its a
> curse that slows the whole thing down.
>
> I'm
> not saying the 360 doesn't have anything in common with a PC. But by
> that
> logic almost all computing devices are PCs. Fact is, theres only so
> many
> configurations for a CPU, GPU, RAM and how to interface those parts
> with
> each other (the chipset). So of course it has stuff in common with
> PCs, as
> does any games console with a dedicated GPU, your broadband
> router, your DVD
> player, etc. Heck, the early HD-DVD and Blu-ray players
> use Pentium 4s as
> their CPU.
>
> The only difference is that devices which do not necessarily
> need to be
> as powerful as a PC are customised so that all the chipset,CPU
> etc can be
> in a single chip rather than a PC which has them scattered across
> the
> motherboard for heat dissipation and upgradability.
>
> Sorry to go on, but
> I find it hugely disrespectful to the hardware
> designers to say that the 360
> is ONLY a PC crammed into a smaller box.
> Particularly as some PCs are
> almost as small as the 360 but don't
> overheat. So you also have to respect
> the fact that the hardware design
> of the 360 has been customised BADLY in
> some respects. It needed a
> slightly bigger box for sufficient airflow, they
> even clearly changed the
> settings on the fans in dashboard updates because
> they realised that.
> Mine clearly ramps the fan speeds up much quicker than
> it used to (both
> before and after they replaced the motherboard).
>
> Alex.
>
> On
> Wednesday 16 April 2008 20:41:53 PSCG Cleveland wrote:
>
> Oh no argument there at all, I mean the 360 IS a PC! It's an AMD
> custom box
> packed in like a sardine and given a limited set of
> functionality by it's
> hardware and it's operating system. Other systems
> like the NES, SNES and
> PSOne on up until the OBX were custom-designed
> from the ground up to be game
> consoles. Finally the dopes got smart and
> figured out the PC guys had it
> right, take their hardware instead and
> just revamp it.
>
> So I'm fully with
> ya on the PC's place in gaming overall, there are
> things a 360 or PS3 won't
> or can't do that a PC has the option to
> provide... such as huge hard drives,
> multiple displays and more. I
> started using 'twins' (2 monitors) about 7
> years ago on my main tower
> and now I can't live without it. Laptop drives me
> nuts in comparison,
> widescreen helps over my old one that finally got
> retired, but I gotta
> have at least the 2 monitors and only dream of having
> the cabbage around
> to go to 3 or 4 and get some games that can handle
> displays like that
> seamlessly!
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Alan K.
> Martinez
>
> <akmartinez1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Remember the PC has its place in the gaming industry too…
>
> It was the a
> match made in heaven with PC's and the gaming industry in
> the early 90's in
> my opinion.
>
> It was because of the high demands of games and people with
> disposable
> income at the time that created the demand for bigger better
> faster bad
> ass CPU's, Video cards and everything else… If it weren't for
> gaming
> then PC industry wouldn't be where it is now… we might be stuck in
> the
> 486/66Mhz era for a while longer…
>
> At least that's my
> opinion…
>
>
> ________________________________
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>
> From: Xbox@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Xbox@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Bruce Ferguson
> Sent: Tuesday,
> April 15, 2008 9:13 PM
> To: Xbox@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Xbox] Re: Sony
> to MS: You've punched yourself out of the
> fight
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I think games are
> better on the console then PC. That is what I used
> to play on. I saw the
> light one day when a new Thief game came out. I
> really liked that game and
> excitedly bought it. Geee it doesn't work.
> OH, look there is a new feature(
> can't remember the name) for shadows,
> firelight etc. Now I need a new video
> card, so you buy the card well
> Direct X needs to be upgraded. Dam now the
> sound card has problems.
> They don't make drivers for it any more. Those are
> the simple things
> and I am not looking into memory or processor speed. This
> was not just
> one game. Every time something new came out it was dinking
> with
> drivers. One day I was in Toys-R-US and there is my Thief game
> for
> Xbox. How much is the Xbox????----$150. Bought the console, bought
> the
> game. Connected everything and dropped in the disk and everything
> worked no
> hassles with hardware or software. I have not looked back
> since then. Now I
> have upgraded to an Elite and love it. Ohhh the
> PC????? Now it is for
> internet, e-mail paying bills etc. and for
> looking up web sites when I am
> stuck. I can have both running at the
> same time. Neat huhhhh.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> Alex
> Atkin wrote:
>
>
> I was wondering the same.
>
> I for one am not ready to ditch
> the 360 quite yet. In fact, the
> consoles are about at the point where
> releasing a new console will make
> minimal differences to the games so I am
> perfectly happy to stick with
> 360 for some time to come, even if PC inches
> its way past in graphical
> power.
>
> Speaking of that though, I do not think PC
> games are vastly surpassing
> the 360
> at all. Its going to take a while until
> enough people have good enough
> PCs for the games to really outshine the 360.
> It was fairly obvious
> when the PC was a greater resolution or at least
> progressive scan when
> TVs were not. Now in the HD era, the difference is
> less noticable.
>
> The only thing I dislike about the 360 is how damn noisy it
> is.
> Although I am
> lucky in that I am only on my second console and I had NO
> DRM hassle
> when they replaced the motherboard and DVD-ROM drive, they
> migrated my
> old consoles serial number to the new motherboard.
>
> Am I the
> only person still bothered about achievements? I still find it
> hard to play
> Wii and PC games due to the lack of achievements. Yes I
> know some PC games
> have em, but if its a choice between the same game
> on PC or 360 I choose 360
> so they do not count.
>
> Alex.
>
> On Tuesday 15 April 2008 14:57:28 PRoPHeTiZeR
> wrote:
>
> why do u think 360 is on it's last legs? it might be 50% through
> it's
> lifespan, maybe.
>
> PogoWolf wrote:
>
> Yes.. and the PS3 has been out for how long? It was expected to
> outsell the
> 360 by now.
> again, the 360 is going on it's last legs, and Blu-Ray is
> now
> standard..
>
> of course, that's not how Sony spins the story though.
>
>
> On
> Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:47 AM, PRoPHeTiZeR
> <prophetizer@wrup.net
> <mailto:prophetizer@wrup.net>> wrote:
>
> actually, ps3
> has been outselling 360 the past 2-3 months
>
> PogoWolf wrote:
>
> Still no where near the Wii and the 360, and it's close enough to
> the death
> of HD-DVD.
> and it's not that I hate Sony. I hate the bait and switch
> tactics
> they use and I hate
> the 'our shit doesn't stink' attidude of their
> marketing. I play
> EQ2, so it's not like
> i'm not giving money to Sony. I
> still won't own one unless I
> win one.. One is given to me,
> or I finally get
> an HD TV with a new sound system and want a 'HD'
> DVD player.
>
> Now stop being
> a Fanboy.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:24 AM,
> PRoPHeTiZeR
> <prophetizer@wrup.net <mailto:prophetizer@wrup.net>> wrote:
>
> no,
> quinn is quite wrong, sales got really strong in
> december/january, before
> hd-dvd was announced dead, you just
> hate sony
>
> PogoWolf wrote:
>
> Sorry man.. Quinn was correct with one statement: "the
> system would fail if
> not for that drive."
> that's true, and the numbers prove it. As soon as
> people
> found out that HD-DVD was dead
> that's when sales started to pick back
> up.
>
> It will be interesting to see what the next year will bring
> for the
> PS3, since the 360 is on it's last legs
> the 'holy crap!' moments will be few
> and far between. Where
> as the PS3 is supposed to have more
> power, so the
> developers should just be starting to see what
> the PS3 can pull off.
>
> but
> damn.. Lair is the best game.. the PS3 is doomed to
> doing nothing more then
> play movies.
> oh wait.. there's also Ridge Racer!!!!!
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008
> at 8:36 AM, PRoPHeTiZeR
> <prophetizer@wrup.net <mailto:prophetizer@wrup.net>>
> wrote:
>
> well, your not even close to correct, you probably only
> think this
> because your a typical fanboy. but lets be
> clear about this, almost any game
> that comes out for
> 360, is also on the ps3, the ps3 has a rather
> large
> library, but not a lot of exlusives. ps3 is a fantastic
> system, though
> 360 is my system of choice, for the
> controller and online play, but i do
> love my ps3 as well
>
> plus, i'm a HD whore, so i love my bluray too
> LOL
>
> Quinn Aguirre wrote:
>
> nobody has 15 games for their ps3 because they all suck
> for the most part.
> everyone has been buying it for the
> bluray they dont play games on it. the
> system would
> fail if not for that drive. the real game players are
> on 360 or
> their PS2 not the PS3 thats plain and
> simple. ~Quinn
>
> */Erik Sundquist
> <lotw_1@yahoo.com>
> <mailto:lotw_1@yahoo.com>/* wrote:
>
> The funny thing is
> that all of the new PS3 games
> are putting large
> amounts, 3-5g of data onto
> the HD the 1st time you
> put a game into
> the PS3 due to the slowness of the
> blue-ray drive.
> So you purchase a
> game, pop it into your PS3 and wait 5-20
> minutes
> before you can play
> it while it copies data. I know why it is
> being
> done, so that the
> game loads/streams faster, but there is no
> choice,
> automatically
> takes the HD space away for any game. If you do
> the
> math those poor
> people who own the 40g version will put about 15
> games
> into their
> system and the HD will be full (averaging 3g per
> game). If
> you
> delete that data from the HD it will force the
> auto-reload of that
> data
> the next time you play that game, another 5-20
> minute wait.
> Good move Sony,
> way to make users feel loved.
>
> --- In
> Xbox@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Xbox%40yahoogroups.com>, "PSCG
> Cleveland"
> <pscgcleveland@...> <mailto:pscgcleveland@...>
>
> wrote:
>
> Ain't this more like 'Sony gloats having gotten
>
> away with payola
>
>
> and holding a gun to people's heads to ensure
>
> BluRay won out'?
>
>
> Ya know as more of an MS fan in the console wars
>
> to this point,
>
>
> I've had the decency not to run Sony into the
>
> ground as the pompus
>
>
> asses they are, but this schmuck makes me want to
>
> take them
>
>
> down constantly anymore.
>
> If y'all remember, I can be quoted as saying Sony
>
> would instantly
>
>
> turn into smug (*#$(#*$(* shortly after pulling
>
> their underhanded
>
>
> deals.
>
> I think the cat says it all!
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:40 AM,
> Nelson Pacheco
>
> <nelson@...> <mailto:nelson@...> wrote:
>
>
> LOL
>
> Thanks,
> Nelson
>
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> yourself-out-of-the-fight/
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> Filed under: News
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>
>
>
> <http://www.gamepro.com/sony/ps3/games/features/
>
> 174588.shtml>Sony is back
>
>
>
> to their typical mudslinging ways (because we
>
> all know Microsoft
> is an
>
>
>
> angel) when, in an interview with
>
> GamePro<http://www.gamepro.com/
> sony/ps3/games/features/174588.shtml>,
>
>
>
> Sony's Marketing VP Scott Steinberg mocked
>
> Microsoft's marketing
> strategy
>
>
>
> saying that they "may have punched themselves
>
> out of the fight".
> Really?
>
>
>
> In the interview, Steinberg decided to
>
> gloat<http:/
> <http://mail.google.com/>/
> www.xbox360fanboy
>
> <http://www.xbox360fanboy/>.com/category/console-wars/>about
> the
>
> PS3's
>
>
>
>
> upcoming
> catalog of games, console features and superb
>
>
>
> Blu-ray tech all while pointing out that their
>
> "competition has
> already
>
>
>
> leveraged all their big assets in the first
>
> couple of years" and
> doesn't
>
>
>
> have anything left to offer. A metaphorical
>
> knockout to one's
> self.
>
>
>
> Steinberg further went on to say that they "are
>
> the [HD movie]
> standard"
>
>
>
> with a "formula [that] is going to drive
>
> consumers to the PS3"
> ... amazing.
>
>
>
> So, we guess a hugely successful Xbox Live
>
> Arcade, a Video
> Marketplace,
>
>
>
> games like *Halo Wars*
>
> <http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/tag/halo-
> wars>, *Ninja
>
>
>
> Gaiden II* <http://ninja-gaiden-ii/>, *Fable
>
> 2*<http://
> www.xbox360fanboy
> <http://www.xbox360fanboy/>.com/tag/fable-2>,
>
>
>
> *Banjo-Kazooie 3*
>
> <http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/tag/banjo-kazooie-
> 3> and *Gears
>
>
>
> of War 2*
>
> <http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/tag/gears-of-war-2>
> don't
> mean
>
>
>
> much to Mr. Steinberg and his magical, global
>
> warming ending,
> world peace
>
>
>
> bringing Blu-ray technology.
>
> Read
>
> <http://www.gamepro.com/sony/ps3/games/features/
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