Alex.
On Monday 21 April 2008 20:02:35 PRoPHeTiZeR wrote:
> how about live is messed up again, some users after the update can't
> login LOL, MS really can't get their act together lately
>
> PSCG Cleveland wrote:
> > No, basically YOU said that and I pointed out your very own words
> > contradict what you're saying. And if we bought into that, then ya, we
> > couldn't compare anything to anything and life would end - QED.
> >
> > Me, I'm wondering how a short comparison of a 360 to a Windows-based
> > PC turned into a Linux-Vista flamewar and has continued on beyond the
> > limits of having anything to do with a 360 - which is why I bowed out
> > after my $.02 that Vista ain't pissed me off bad enough yet to chuck my
> > laptop out on the freeway at 75MPH to show MS how I feel about them.
> >
> > But then again, that's just me...
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Alex Atkin <yahoo@maewhitman.com> wrote:
> >> So basically you are saying you can't compare ANYTHING because they have
> >> differences. Erm, that's the whole POINT of comparing stuff. If they
> >> were exactly the same then there wouldn't be anything TO compare.
> >>
> >> The whole point of comparing one item to another is to identify its
> >> differences and benefits against another product. So perhaps comparing
> >> Apples to Oranges actually makes MORE sense than comparing Apples to
> >> Apples.
> >>
> >> That said, I still disagree that comparing Windows to Linux is the same
> >> thing.
> >> Both of those OS can run technically run my Windows apps, or can run
> >> apps that do the same tasks either better or worse. So at the end of the
> >> day, its worth comparing. If you never compared different OS then you
> >> would never know if one was better than the other for what you wanted.
> >>
> >> Besides, I still say XP 32bit runs "the software I use" faster than
> >> Vista 64bit does. Like I already said, perhaps I should install Vista
> >> 32bit for a fairer comparison but at the end of the day its not about
> >> comparing IDENTICAL
> >> systems, that's fairly pointless. Its about comparing DIFFERENT things
> >> to see if they are better/worse than what I am currently using.
> >>
> >> Alex.
> >>
> >> On Monday 21 April 2008 16:39:14 PSCG Cleveland wrote:
> >>> Actually by his logic and your own ya just spewed out, you shot
> >>> yourself in the ass? Linux works fundamentally differently than Windows
> >>> does, but they're both OS's that can run on the same machine (for the
> >>> most part).
> >>>
> >>> You can't run PS3 titles on a 360 (or vice versa), you can't use
> >>> anything from a PSOne on a Sega Saturn and you sure as hell can't run
> >>> anything from one phone on another without major porting because of the
> >>> difference in hardware and platforms involved. So all of those examples
> >>> are Apples to Oranges...
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Alex Atkin <yahoo@maewhitman.com>
wrote:
> >>>> So comparing the PS3 to the Xbox 360 is Apples to Oranges too I
> >>>> presume? Like comparing the Sega Saturn to the PSone?
> >>>>
> >>>> Comparing Windows to Linux is EXACTLY the same principle as above.
> >>>> They might
> >>>> be different arcitectures but people are going to use them for the
> >>>> same tasks
> >>>> therefore comparing them against each other is inevitable. By your
> >>>> logic you can't compare a Nokia phone against a Sony Ericsson because,
> >>>> god forbid, they
> >>>> have a different OS. But if they are designed to do the same tasks its
> >>>> perfectly logical to compare them. If you can't compare Windows to
> >>
> >> Linux,
> >>
> >>>> or one games console against another then basically you are saying
> >>>> NOTHING can be compared against each other - because they aren't by
> >>>> the company.
> >>>>
> >>>> Alex.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Monday 21 April 2008 13:01:31 PRoPHeTiZeR wrote:
> >>>>> why do u keep comping apples to oranges? and if you don't have a
> >>>>> suitable test environment why bother at all? why does everything you
> >>>>> say seem so irrelevant?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Alex Atkin wrote:
> >>>>>> It was just an annoying thing I noticed when I was trying to TEST
> >>>>>> Vista for the first time. I couldn't dedicate more than about 10GB
> >>
> >> of
> >>
> >>>>>> disk space to it as it was my previously Linux partition.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Also, Linux installs its OS and ALL its apps in less than 5GB, even
> >>>>>> when it has 2 copies of all the libraries because its the 64bit
> >>>>>> version. So what on earth is Microsoft wasting all that space on?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Alex.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Friday 18 April 2008 18:13:26 PRoPHeTiZeR wrote:
> >>>>>>> well, if you only have a 16GB drive in your machine, it couldn't
> >>
> >> run
> >>
> >>>>>>> vista anyways. why point out such stupid things that don't matter?
> >>>>>>> whats wrong with u man, do u hate the world? hate yourself? hate
> >>>>>>> your life? wtf
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Alex Atkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Ah yes, but it refuses to install if you have less than 16GB free
> >>>>>>>> as I recall. Also, the 64bit version is a bit bigger I believe.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Alex.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Friday 18 April 2008 02:17:45 PRoPHeTiZeR wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> who cares how much space it takes, and it's not 16GB, it's 8
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Alex Atkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> But is it as fast as XP? I don't think so.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I like the interface, I hate the bloat. Just try to convince me
> >>>>>>>>>> 16GB is necessary for a basic Windows install! Go on!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Alex.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Friday 18 April 2008 00:27:20 PRoPHeTiZeR wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> vista is not terrible if your machine is built for it
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Alan K. Martinez wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I ordered it with 2 gig 1 dimm so I can order a second 2 gig
> >>>>>>>>>>>> later and find it cheaper... so I will up it to 4 gig
> >>>>>>>>>>>> eventually...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> All opinions aside of the OS I should be in good shape. I have
> >>>>>>>>>>>> a copy of XP Pro I can throw on it if Vista is that terrible
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>
> >>>> just
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> keep the Vista install in the recovery partition if they put
> >>>>>>>>>>>> out patches and updates that fix any problems I have...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- -- -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Xbox@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Xbox@yahoogroups.com] *On
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *PogoWolf
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 17, 2008 12:58 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Xbox@yahoogroups.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Xbox] 360 & Vist
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well your first problem will be Vista.. and the 2nd.. 3rd..
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4th.. 5th.. and so one. =)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Vista can interact with the 360 because of the built end media
> >>>>>>>>>>>> edition extensions, which you get with Windows Media player
> >>
> >> 11.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> or with other free 3rd party tools.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> as for the machine.. all depends on what you plan to use it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> for, but since are runing vista the FIRST thing I would do is
> >>>>>>>>>>>> scrape
> >>>>
> >>>> the
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2 gig
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and max it out with 4 GIG of Ram. Vista really REALLY wants 2
> >>>>>>>>>>>> gig just to operate 'normally' let alone running anything.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Since there's no 'good' video I assume the laptop won't be
> >>
> >> used
> >>
> >>>> for
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> gameing, but it looks like it would handle everything else.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> so the only thing I can really recommund, is uping the RAM
> >>
> >> from
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2 gig to 4.
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Alan K. Martinez
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <akmartinez1@yahoo.com <mailto:akmartinez1@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> How well does the XBOX interact with a Vista system?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I just placed an order for a loaded Lenovo T61p and as I was
> >>>>>>>>>>>> choosing the OS I saw that Vista can readily interact with a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 360.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I hope I purchased a good system too...
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> I know this isn't a PC group but I'm sure we have some
> >>>>>>>>>>>> knowledgeable people here...
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is the spec of what I just ordered... anyone care to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> comment or flame...
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. The pictured price is NOT the price I paid for it... My
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wife has some corporate perks and there's a sale and coupon
> >>>>>>>>>>>> code that dramatically brought the price down...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder why Vista Ultimate doesn't come or isn't offered
> >>>>>>>>>>>> through Lenovo in 64 bit...
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> On a hot summer night, would you offer your throat to the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> PogoWolf with the red roses?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ==============================
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Pogowolf
> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://pogowolf.wordpress.com <http://pogowolf.wordpress.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (Personal Blog)
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Http://www.GamersVue.com <Http://www.GamersVue.com> (Video
> >>
> >> Game
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> news, and information)
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Http://Computer911.wordpress.com
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (Computer/Programming/How to Blog)
> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.cafepress.com/pogowolf
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> Http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xbox
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <Http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xbox> (The largest/best XBox
> >>>>>>>>>>>> group on yahoo!)
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ==============================
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>> Copyright (c) 2000-2008 Yahoo! Xbox community Group
> >>>>>>>>>> (http://gamesource.groups.yahoo.com/group/Xbox/).
> >>>>>>>>>> All rights reserved.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Operated by 'The PogoWolf' and ToddATV
> >>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Tell your friends. ;)
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> >>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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> >>>>>>>> (http://gamesource.groups.yahoo.com/group/Xbox/).
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Operated by 'The PogoWolf' and ToddATV
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Affiliate Group(s):
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Tell your friends. ;)
> >>>>>>>> ___________________________________________________
> >>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>> Copyright (c) 2000-2008 Yahoo! Xbox community Group
> >>>>>> (http://gamesource.groups.yahoo.com/group/Xbox/).
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Operated by 'The PogoWolf' and ToddATV
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>> http://www.Gamersvue.com
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tell your friends. ;)
> >>>>>> ___________________________________________________
> >>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
------------------------------------
____________________________________________________
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All rights reserved.
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