always had a Linux version.
That's the bummer with UT3 though. Apparently some middle-ware used in UT3
hasn't been licensed/ported (what I heard was that it was supposed to be
ported but it hasn't happened yet and Epic are now allowed to port it
themselves) to Linux yet so UT3 for Linux is only available in the server
version, no client yet.
That said though, I do not play PC games that much anymore. I was happy to be
able to play a few old DOS games on Linux via DOSBox and in theory quite a
few can run under WINE - which technically is not emulation. Although I
would personally argue that implementing the Windows API on Linux IS
emulation - because its still sat on-top of X and KDE/Gnome/etc translating.
Alex.
On Monday 21 April 2008 18:49:12 PSCG Cleveland wrote:
> Well I can say this... it's mostly personal perception and preferences as
> to what appears to work better than something else in many cases. I have
> both XP and Vista on two machines comparable in makeup other than the
> fact one's a pure Intel setup with internal graphics (XP) and the other's
> am AMD/Nvidia internal combo on the laptop (Vista). I see pros and cons
> for both, but I am ready to flop the XP upwards very soon. That's just me.
>
> But to spin this back round to a gaming aspect (at least), here's the
> major problem when you try to throw Linux in:
>
> I had Dos 6.2 and Win for Workgroups 3.11 once. WFW was nice, slick
> (for back then) but I could crank through DOS like nothing. Linux, not
> trying to compare the capabilities to the simplicity which is what I'm
> really talking about, is like DOS. Commands, flow, done. No bloatware, no
> fluff, no eye candy like Windows or even Apple's OS's have. Nobody had
> WFW, 90% of those with PC's had DOS and everything came out compatible with
> DOS. Try to load it through a DOS emulator in Windows - most times it
> crapped out. So everything built was built for DOS.
>
> Today we have XP/Vista and Linux. I still have yet to find one major
> game release that's come out for Linux. Games for Windows? Tons. But no
> Linux ports, not things that'll run with emulators - I'm talking Games for
> Linux.
>
> And that continues into software. Linux is nice, but it's missing way
> too much of the everyday stuff people use to keep up the pace. Even
> Apple's doing a better job of it!
>
> I use Linux exclusively on my web servers. Period. Won't touch Win
> servers, they're buggy as hell and totally unsecured for the most part.
http://server.csdprojects.co.uk/
> Like walking around in a pogo stick contest with your fly open hoping
> nothing's gonna tag you. So I'm a huge Linux fan myself, but not for my
> business or home PC's because the rest of the software packages aren't
> there - including games which MIGHT even run better under Linux!
>
> So XP/Vista/Linux/32 Bit/64 Bit/Apple - whatever, it's just kinda lame if
> it can't play the games... or something decent...
>
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Alex Atkin <yahoo@maewhitman.com> wrote:
> > LOL
> >
> > My point is that even if it IS comparing Apples to Oranges it doesn't
> > necessarily mean it isn't a fair comparison. I mean I might compare
> > Apples to Oranges, to see which tasted the best, fit in my lunchbox, made
> > me feel the most healthy, etc. There's many reasons you would compare
> > things that are not equal, because my argument was never if Vista and XP
> > were equal or Vista and Linux. My argument was that Vista while having
> > improvements over XP it seemed to be slower, so seems more like a
> > downgrade at times than an upgrade. Linux on the other hand gets faster
> > and faster over the years, still not as responsive as XP but for the
> > first time ever Vista seems slower than Linux.
> >
> > For the record this is on a P5K-E with a Core 2 Duo E6400 and 2GB 800Mhz
> > DDR2 RAM and a 160GB Seagate 7200.10.
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> > On Monday 21 April 2008 18:17:18 PSCG Cleveland wrote:
> > > No, basically YOU said that and I pointed out your very own words
> > > contradict what you're saying. And if we bought into that, then ya, we
> > > couldn't compare anything to anything and life would end - QED.
> > >
> > > Me, I'm wondering how a short comparison of a 360 to a Windows-based
> > > PC turned into a Linux-Vista flamewar and has continued on beyond the
> > > limits of having anything to do with a 360 - which is why I bowed out
> > > after my $.02 that Vista ain't pissed me off bad enough yet to chuck my
> > > laptop out on the freeway at 75MPH to show MS how I feel about them.
> > >
> > > But then again, that's just me...
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Alex Atkin <yahoo@maewhitman.com>
wrote:
> > > > So basically you are saying you can't compare ANYTHING because they
> > > > have differences. Erm, that's the whole POINT of comparing stuff. If
> > > > they were exactly the same then there wouldn't be anything TO
> > > > compare.
> > > >
> > > > The whole point of comparing one item to another is to identify its
> > > > differences and benefits against another product. So perhaps
> > > > comparing Apples to Oranges actually makes MORE sense than comparing
> > > > Apples to Apples.
> > > >
> > > > That said, I still disagree that comparing Windows to Linux is the
> > > > same thing.
> > > > Both of those OS can run technically run my Windows apps, or can run
> > > > apps that do the same tasks either better or worse. So at the end of
> > > > the day, its worth comparing. If you never compared different OS then
> > > > you would never know if one was better than the other for what you
> > > > wanted.
> > > >
> > > > Besides, I still say XP 32bit runs "the software I use" faster than
> > > > Vista 64bit does. Like I already said, perhaps I should install Vista
> > > > 32bit for a fairer comparison but at the end of the day its not about
> > > > comparing IDENTICAL
> > > > systems, that's fairly pointless. Its about comparing DIFFERENT
> > > > things to see if they are better/worse than what I am currently
> > > > using.
> > > >
> > > > Alex.
> > > >
> > > > On Monday 21 April 2008 16:39:14 PSCG Cleveland wrote:
> > > > > Actually by his logic and your own ya just spewed out, you shot
> > > > > yourself in the ass? Linux works fundamentally differently than
> > > > > Windows does, but they're both OS's that can run on the same
> > > > > machine (for the most part).
> > > > >
> > > > > You can't run PS3 titles on a 360 (or vice versa), you can't use
> > > > > anything from a PSOne on a Sega Saturn and you sure as hell can't
> > > > > run anything from one phone on another without major porting
> > > > > because of the difference in hardware and platforms involved. So
> > > > > all of those examples are Apples to Oranges...
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Alex Atkin <yahoo@maewhitman.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > > > So comparing the PS3 to the Xbox 360 is Apples to Oranges too I
> > > > > > presume? Like comparing the Sega Saturn to the PSone?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Comparing Windows to Linux is EXACTLY the same principle as
> > > > > > above. They might
> > > > > > be different arcitectures but people are going to use them for
> > > > > > the same tasks
> > > > > > therefore comparing them against each other is inevitable. By
> > > > > > your logic you can't compare a Nokia phone against a Sony
> > > > > > Ericsson because, god forbid, they
> > > > > > have a different OS. But if they are designed to do the same
> > > > > > tasks its perfectly logical to compare them. If you can't compare
> > > > > > Windows to
> > > >
> > > > Linux,
> > > >
> > > > > > or one games console against another then basically you are
> > > > > > saying NOTHING can be compared against each other - because they
> > > > > > aren't by the company.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Alex.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Monday 21 April 2008 13:01:31 PRoPHeTiZeR wrote:
> > > > > > > why do u keep comping apples to oranges? and if you don't have
> > > > > > > a suitable test environment why bother at all? why does
> > > > > > > everything you say seem so irrelevant?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Alex Atkin wrote:
> > > > > > > > It was just an annoying thing I noticed when I was trying to
> > > > > > > > TEST Vista for the first time. I couldn't dedicate more than
> > > > > > > > about 10GB
> > > >
> > > > of
> > > >
> > > > > > > > disk space to it as it was my previously Linux partition.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Also, Linux installs its OS and ALL its apps in less than
> > > > > > > > 5GB, even when it has 2 copies of all the libraries because
> > > > > > > > its the 64bit version. So what on earth is Microsoft wasting
> > > > > > > > all that space on?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Alex.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Friday 18 April 2008 18:13:26 PRoPHeTiZeR wrote:
> > > > > > > >> well, if you only have a 16GB drive in your machine, it
> > > > > > > >> couldn't
> > > >
> > > > run
> > > >
> > > > > > > >> vista anyways. why point out such stupid things that don't
> > > > > > > >> matter? whats wrong with u man, do u hate the world? hate
> > > > > > > >> yourself? hate your life? wtf
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Alex Atkin wrote:
> > > > > > > >>> Ah yes, but it refuses to install if you have less than
> > > > > > > >>> 16GB free as I recall. Also, the 64bit version is a bit
> > > > > > > >>> bigger I believe.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Alex.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> On Friday 18 April 2008 02:17:45 PRoPHeTiZeR wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>> who cares how much space it takes, and it's not 16GB, it's
> > > > > > > >>>> 8
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Alex Atkin wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>> But is it as fast as XP? I don't think so.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> I like the interface, I hate the bloat. Just try to
> > > > > > > >>>>> convince me 16GB is necessary for a basic Windows
> > > > > > > >>>>> install! Go on!
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Alex.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> On Friday 18 April 2008 00:27:20 PRoPHeTiZeR wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>> vista is not terrible if your machine is built for it
> > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>> Alan K. Martinez wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> I ordered it with 2 gig 1 dimm so I can order a second
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> 2 gig later and find it cheaper... so I will up it to 4
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> gig eventually...
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> All opinions aside of the OS I should be in good shape.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> I have a copy of XP Pro I can throw on it if Vista is
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> that terrible and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > just
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> keep the Vista install in the recovery partition if
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> they put out patches and updates that fix any problems
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> I have...
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>--- -- -- -
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> *From:* Xbox@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> [mailto:Xbox@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *PogoWolf
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 17, 2008 12:58 PM
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> *To:* Xbox@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Xbox] 360 & Vist
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Well your first problem will be Vista.. and the 2nd..
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> 3rd.. 4th.. 5th.. and so one. =)
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Vista can interact with the 360 because of the built
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> end media edition extensions, which you get with
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Windows Media player
> > > >
> > > > 11.
> > > >
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> or with other free 3rd party tools.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> as for the machine.. all depends on what you plan to
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> use it for, but since are runing vista the FIRST thing
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> I would do is scrape
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> 2 gig
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> and max it out with 4 GIG of Ram. Vista really REALLY
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> wants 2 gig just to operate 'normally' let alone
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> running anything.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Since there's no 'good' video I assume the laptop won't
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> be
> > > >
> > > > used
> > > >
> > > > > > for
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> gameing, but it looks like it would handle everything
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> else.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> so the only thing I can really recommund, is uping the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> RAM
> > > >
> > > > from
> > > >
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> 2 gig to 4.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
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> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Alan K. Martinez
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> <akmartinez1@yahoo.com <mailto:akmartinez1@yahoo.com>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> How well does the XBOX interact with a Vista system?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> I just placed an order for a loaded Lenovo T61p and as
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> I was choosing the OS I saw that Vista can readily
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> interact with a 360.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> I hope I purchased a good system too...
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> I know this isn't a PC group but I'm sure we have some
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> knowledgeable people here...
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> This is the spec of what I just ordered... anyone care
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> to comment or flame...
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> P.S. The pictured price is NOT the price I paid for
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> it... My wife has some corporate perks and there's a
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> sale and coupon code that dramatically brought the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> price down...
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> I wonder why Vista Ultimate doesn't come or isn't
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> offered through Lenovo in 64 bit...
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>
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> > > > > > > >>>>>>> --
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> On a hot summer night, would you offer your throat to
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> the PogoWolf with the red roses?
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> ==============================
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> The Pogowolf
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> http://pogowolf.wordpress.com
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> <http://pogowolf.wordpress.com> (Personal Blog)
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Http://www.GamersVue.com <Http://www.GamersVue.com>
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> (Video
> > > >
> > > > Game
> > > >
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> news, and information)
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Http://Computer911.wordpress.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <Http://Computer911.wordpress.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> (Computer/Programming/How to Blog)
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> http://www.cafepress.com/pogowolf
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> <http://www.cafepress.com/pogowolf> (The PogoStore..
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Bring out the Pogo in you)
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xbox
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> <Http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xbox> (The largest/best
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> XBox group on yahoo!)
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> ==============================
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> ------------------------------------
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> ____________________________________________________
> > > > > > > >>>>> Copyright (c) 2000-2008 Yahoo! Xbox community Group
> > > > > > > >>>>> (http://gamesource.groups.yahoo.com/group/Xbox/).
> > > > > > > >>>>> All rights reserved.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Operated by 'The PogoWolf' and ToddATV
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Affiliate Group(s):
> > > > > > > >>>>> http://www.Gamersvue.com
> > > > > > > >>>>> http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/gamers_for_life
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Tell your friends. ;)
> > > > > > > >>>>> ___________________________________________________
> > > > > > > >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> ------------------------------------
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> ____________________________________________________
> > > > > > > >>> Copyright (c) 2000-2008 Yahoo! Xbox community Group
> > > > > > > >>> (http://gamesource.groups.yahoo.com/group/Xbox/).
> > > > > > > >>> All rights reserved.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Operated by 'The PogoWolf' and ToddATV
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Affiliate Group(s):
> > > > > > > >>> http://www.Gamersvue.com
> > > > > > > >>> http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/gamers_for_life
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Tell your friends. ;)
> > > > > > > >>> ___________________________________________________
> > > > > > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________
> > > > > > > > Copyright (c) 2000-2008 Yahoo! Xbox community Group
> > > > > > > > (http://gamesource.groups.yahoo.com/group/Xbox/).
> > > > > > > > All rights reserved.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Operated by 'The PogoWolf' and ToddATV
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Affiliate Group(s):
> > > > > > > > http://www.Gamersvue.com
> > > > > > > > http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/gamers_for_life
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tell your friends. ;)
> > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________
> > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
------------------------------------
____________________________________________________
Copyright (c) 2000-2008 Yahoo! Xbox community Group
(http://gamesource.groups.yahoo.com/group/Xbox/).
All rights reserved.
Operated by 'The PogoWolf' and ToddATV
Affiliate Group(s):
http://www.Gamersvue.com
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/gamers_for_life
Tell your friends. ;)
___________________________________________________
Yahoo! Groups Links
<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Xbox/
<*> Your email settings:
Individual Email | Traditional
<*> To change settings online go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Xbox/join
(Yahoo! ID required)
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