Thursday, April 17, 2008

Re: [Xbox] Re: Sony to MS: You've punched yourself out of the fight

I'll go look again, but the article never stated that - people commenting
questioned that and mentioned something else that company made for
the OBX that was dismal at best because of the lag issues, etc. So point
out where you saw 'total compatibility' for all 360 games using that little
crackerbox. Still hate the corded factor tho, cranked back in a comfy
chair what are you supposed to do with either that thing or the ultra-long
cords you'd have to use instead? Unless you do like some sorta Zen
yoga position 12 inches from yoru TV or something?

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 3:07 PM, PRoPHeTiZeR <prophetizer@wrup.net> wrote:
>
> because this works with all games, whereas yours doesn't
>
> PSCG Cleveland wrote:
>
> Corded, tiny little box to get beat round. Delay from the translation...
>
>
> Why wasn't the cordless $30 combo from WallyWorld a better solution?
> They
> were even questioning it in that article... lag times, etc.
>
> On Thu, Apr 17,
> 2008 at 2:48 PM, PRoPHeTiZeR <prophetizer@wrup.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> u can use a keyboard and mouse on the 360
> fools
>
> http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/xcm-brings-pcstyle-gaming-to-your-360-217332.php
>
>
>
> Alex
> Atkin wrote:
>
> Is that the exception to the rule? Because I was pissed that
> Microsoft said
>
> they wouldn't allow keyboard and mouse controls on the 360
> in games. I
> would
> be happy to play UT3 on 360 with a keyboard and mouse, I
> have played
> it on
> the TV using the PC - although being that close did make
> me kinda
> dizzy.
>
> Alex.
>
> On Thursday 17 April 2008 16:32:25 PSCG Cleveland
> wrote:
>
> LOL, well apparently you haven't watched my other half play FFXI
> on
> our
> home 360 with that very same keyboard & mouse plugged into the
> USB
> port?
> That line has blurred significantly!
>
> I mean my PC here in the office
> isn't
> as loaded up and powerful on
> the hardware/graphics side as any 360 we
> have.
> Only advantage I'd
> have is a larger HDD and burning capability on
> the
> DVD-RW, otherwise
> my CPU, GPU & RAM are underpowered in comparison.
>
> On
> Thu,
> Apr 17, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Alex Atkin <yahoo@maewhitman.com> wrote:
>
> I
> suppose at the end of the day, its all your perception of what a
> PC
> is.
> Seeing as it stands for Personal Computer you could argue your
> cell
> phone
> is a PC or any number of things. But in this context I think we
> mean
> a
> device with a graphics chip, fairly powerful CPU and USB ports so
> you
> can
> use a keyboard and mouse.
>
> Alex.
>
> On Thursday 17 April 2008
> 15:30:48
> PSCG Cleveland wrote:
>
> I think that was a point I'd made tho, PC's
> require a separated Vid
> card to
> come close to what's inside the GPU on the
> 360.
>
> But, I'll differ with you
> on the statement of nothing exists
> that's
> as good as a midrange card, I just
> fired off a PC system with an
> ECS
> motherboard and an NVidia GPU onboard
> splitting 1GB of RAM, 256MB to
> the
> onboard GPU. Didn't see any major
> problems beyond the expected
> little bugs
> from some games the guy's playing
> on it because of the
> variations of ATI,
> NVidia, etc. as I mentioned. So they
> do and have
> existed and they've
> seriously improved with AMD buying ATI out
> and
> NVidia scrambling to partner
> up with other mobo manufacturers so
> they
> don't get shut out. Both make vid
> cards that obviously outperform
> and
> all-in-one setup as well.
>
> The main
> comparison I made was that 360
> games and even PS3 games
> run best on those
> consoles because there's no
> variables like a PC.
> It's all one way or the
> highway. If there was only one
> PC mobo
> manufacturer and we all had the same
> stuff in our PC's we'd see
> the
> same effect.
>
> I know we could go on and
> start heading off-topic arguing
> the points
> about the PC/360 bit, but the 360
> still remains as close to
> an
> all-in-one PC as you're going to find. Mobo,
> RAM, CPU, GPU, HDD,
> Disc
> Drive, USB's, removable drives and far more are the
> same as thsoe
> on
> PC's. I mean someone's already cracked the 360's OS and
> lock-outs
> and
> have been running Linux on the fool things for like a year? I
> think
> the
> story was reprinted in here even... If that ain't the definition
> of
> a PC, I
> don't know what is!
>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:39 AM, Alex
> Atkin
> <yahoo@maewhitman.com>
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> People always say the 360 is a PC
> but that's not exactly true. You
> aren't
> giving credit to Microsoft for the
> shared memory architecture.
>
> Sure, PCs
> also have shared memory but its a
> completely different
> beast to the 360.
> There isn't a single PC on the market
> that shares
> the system RAM with the
> GPU that actually is any good (compared
> to a
> mid-range graphics card with
> its own RAM). The memory in a PC is
> simply
> too bottlenecked with the chipset
> and with too little
> bandwidth to handle
> both system and graphics operations.
> However by
> some custom magic the 360
> CAN handle that and its even a benefit
> to
> it, whereas on the PC its a curse
> that slows the whole thing down.
>
> I'm
> not saying the 360 doesn't have
> anything in common with a PC.
> But by that
> logic almost all computing devices
> are PCs. Fact is,
> theres only so many
> configurations for a CPU, GPU, RAM and
> how to
> interface those parts with
> each other (the chipset). So of course
> it
> has stuff in common with PCs, as
> does any games console with a
> dedicated
> GPU, your broadband router, your DVD
> player, etc. Heck,
> the early HD-DVD and
> Blu-ray players use Pentium 4s as
> their CPU.
>
> The only difference is that
> devices which do not necessarily
> need to
> be as powerful as a PC are
> customised so that all the chipset,CPU
> etc
> can be in a single chip rather
> than a PC which has them scattered
> across
> the motherboard for heat
> dissipation and upgradability.
>
> Sorry to go on, but
> I find it hugely
> disrespectful to the hardware
> designers to say that the 360
> is ONLY a PC
> crammed into a smaller
> box. Particularly as some PCs are almost
> as small as
> the 360 but
> don't overheat. So you also have to respect the fact
> that
> the
> hardware design of the 360 has been customised BADLY in
> some
> respects.
> It needed a slightly bigger box for sufficient airflow,
> they
> even clearly
> changed the settings on the fans in dashboard
> updates because
> they realised
> that. Mine clearly ramps the fan speeds
> up much quicker than
> it used to
> (both before and after they replaced
> the motherboard).
>
> Alex.
>
> On
> Wednesday
> 16 April 2008 20:41:53 PSCG Cleveland wrote:
>
> Oh no argument there at all,
> I mean the 360 IS a PC! It's an AMD
> custom box
> packed in like a sardine and
> given a limited set of
> functionality by it's
> hardware and it's operating
> system. Other
> systems like the NES, SNES and
> PSOne on up until the OBX
> were
> custom-designed from the ground up to be game
> consoles. Finally
> the
> dopes got smart and figured out the PC guys had it
> right, take
> their
> hardware instead and just revamp it.
>
> So I'm fully with
> ya on the PC's
> place in gaming overall, there
> are things a 360 or PS3 won't
> or can't do
> that a PC has the option
> to provide... such as huge hard drives,
> multiple
> displays and more.
> I started using 'twins' (2 monitors) about 7
> years ago
> on my main
> tower and now I can't live without it. Laptop drives me
> nuts
> in
> comparison, widescreen helps over my old one that finally
> got
> retired,
> but I gotta have at least the 2 monitors and only dream
> of
> having the
> cabbage around to go to 3 or 4 and get some games that
> can
> handle displays
> like that seamlessly!
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:04 PM,
> Alan K.
> Martinez
>
> <akmartinez1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Remember the PC has its place in
> the gaming industry too…
>
> It was the a
> match made in heaven with PC's and
> the gaming
> industry in the early 90's in
> my opinion.
>
> It was because of the
> high demands of games and people
> with
> disposable income at the time that
> created the demand for bigger
> better
> faster bad ass CPU's, Video cards and
> everything else… If
> it weren't for
> gaming then PC industry wouldn't be where
> it is
> now… we might be stuck in
> the 486/66Mhz era for a while longer…
>
> At
> least that's my
> opinion…
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From:
> Xbox@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Xbox@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Bruce
> Ferguson
> Sent: Tuesday,
> April 15, 2008 9:13 PM
> To:
> Xbox@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Xbox] Re: Sony
> to MS: You've punched
> yourself out
> of the fight
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I think games are
> better on the console
> then PC. That is what I
> used to play on. I saw the
> light one day when a new
> Thief game
> came out. I really liked that game and
> excitedly bought it.
> Geee
> it doesn't work. OH, look there is a new feature(
> can't remember
> the
> name) for shadows, firelight etc. Now I need a new
> video
> card, so you buy
> the card well Direct X needs to be upgraded.
> Dam now
> the sound card has
> problems. They don't make drivers for
> it any more. Those
> are the simple
> things and I am not looking
> into memory or processor speed.
> This was not
> just one game.
> Every time something new came out it was
> dinking with
> drivers.
> One day I was in Toys-R-US and there is my Thief game
> for Xbox.
> How
> much is the Xbox????----$150. Bought the console, bought
> the
> game. Connected
> everything and dropped in the disk and
> everything worked
> no hassles with
> hardware or software. I have
> not looked back since then. Now
> I have upgraded
> to an Elite and
> love it. Ohhh the PC????? Now it is for
> internet, e-mail
> paying
> bills etc. and for looking up web sites when I am
> stuck. I can
> have
> both running at the same time. Neat huhhhh.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> Alex
> Atkin wrote:
>
>
> I
> was wondering the same.
>
> I for one am not ready to ditch
> the 360 quite yet.
> In fact, the
> consoles are about at the point where
> releasing a new
> console
> will make minimal differences to the games so I am
> perfectly
> happy
> to stick with 360 for some time to come, even if PC
> inches
> its way past in
> graphical power.
>
> Speaking of that though, I do not
> think PC games are
> vastly
> surpassing the 360
> at all. Its going to take a
> while until enough
> people have good
> enough PCs for the games to really
> outshine the 360. It
> was
> fairly obvious when the PC was a greater resolution
> or at
> least
> progressive scan when TVs were not. Now in the HD era,
> the
> difference
> is less noticable.
>
> The only thing I dislike about the 360 is
> how damn noisy
> it is.
> Although I am
> lucky in that I am only on my second
> console and I had
> NO DRM
> hassle when they replaced the motherboard and
> DVD-ROM drive,
> they
> migrated my old consoles serial number to the new
> motherboard.
>
> Am I
> the only person still bothered about achievements? I
> still
> find it hard to
> play Wii and PC games due to the lack of
> achievements.
> Yes I know some PC
> games have em, but if its a
> choice between the same game
> on PC or 360 I
> choose 360 so they do
> not count.
>
> Alex.
>
> On Tuesday 15 April
> 2008 14:57:28
> PRoPHeTiZeR wrote:
>
> why do u think 360 is on it's last legs? it might be
> 50%
> through it's
> lifespan, maybe.
>
> PogoWolf wrote:
>
> Yes.. and the PS3 has
> been out for how long? It was expected
> to outsell the
> 360 by now.
> again, the
> 360 is going on it's last legs, and Blu-Ray is
> now
> standard..
>
> of course,
> that's not how Sony spins the story though.
>
>
> On
> Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:47
> AM, PRoPHeTiZeR
> <prophetizer@wrup.net
> <mailto:prophetizer@wrup.net>>
> wrote:
>
> actually, ps3 has been outselling 360
> the past 2-3 months
>
> PogoWolf
> wrote:
>
> Still no where near the Wii and the 360, and it's close
> enough to
> the death
> of HD-DVD.
> and it's not that I hate Sony. I hate the bait and
> switch
> tactics
> they use and I hate
> the 'our shit doesn't stink' attidude of
> their
> marketing. I
> play EQ2, so it's not like
> i'm not giving money to Sony.
> I
> still won't own one unless I
> win one.. One is given to me,
> or I finally
> get
> an HD TV with a new sound system and want a
> 'HD' DVD player.
>
> Now stop
> being
> a Fanboy.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:24
> AM,
> PRoPHeTiZeR
> <prophetizer@wrup.net <mailto:prophetizer@wrup.net>>
> wrote:
>
> no,
> quinn is quite wrong, sales got really strong
> in
> december/january, before
> hd-dvd was announced dead, you just
> hate
> sony
>
> PogoWolf wrote:
>
> Sorry man.. Quinn was correct with one statement:
> "the
> system would fail if
> not for that drive."
> that's true, and the numbers
> prove it. As soon as
> people
> found out that HD-DVD was dead
> that's when sales
> started to pick back
> up.
>
> It will be interesting to see what the next year
> will bring
> for the
> PS3, since the 360 is on it's last legs
> the 'holy crap!'
> moments will be few
> and far between. Where
> as the PS3 is supposed to have
> more
> power, so the
> developers should just be starting to see
> what the PS3
> can pull off.
>
> but
> damn.. Lair is the best game.. the PS3 is doomed to
> doing
> nothing more then
> play movies.
> oh wait.. there's also Ridge Racer!!!!!
>
>
>
> On
> Tue, Apr 15, 2008
> at 8:36 AM, PRoPHeTiZeR
> <prophetizer@wrup.net
> <mailto:prophetizer@wrup.net>>
> wrote:
>
> well, your not even close to correct,
> you probably only
> think this
> because your a typical fanboy. but lets
> be
> clear about this, almost any game
> that comes out for
> 360, is also on the
> ps3, the ps3 has a rather
> large
> library, but not a lot of exlusives. ps3 is
> a fantastic
> system, though
> 360 is my system of choice, for the
> controller
> and online play, but i do
> love my ps3 as well
>
> plus, i'm a HD whore, so i
> love my bluray too
> LOL
>
> Quinn Aguirre wrote:
>
> nobody has 15 games for their
> ps3 because they all suck
> for the most part.
> everyone has been buying it for
> the
> bluray they dont play games on it. the
> system would
> fail if not for that
> drive. the real game players are
> on 360 or
> their PS2 not the PS3 thats plain
> and
> simple. ~Quinn
>
> */Erik
> Sundquist
> <lotw_1@yahoo.com>
> <mailto:lotw_1@yahoo.com>/* wrote:
>
> The funny
> thing is
> that all of the new PS3 games
> are putting large
> amounts, 3-5g of
> data onto
> the HD the 1st time you
> put a game into
> the PS3 due to the
> slowness of the
> blue-ray drive.
> So you purchase a
> game, pop it into your PS3
> and wait 5-20
> minutes
> before you can play
> it while it copies data. I know
> why it is
> being
> done, so that the
> game loads/streams faster, but there is
> no
> choice,
> automatically
> takes the HD space away for any game. If you
> do
> the
> math those poor
> people who own the 40g version will put about
> 15
> games
> into their
> system and the HD will be full (averaging 3g per
> game).
> If
> you
> delete that data from the HD it will force the
> auto-reload of
> that
> data
> the next time you play that game, another 5-20
> minute wait.
> Good
> move Sony,
> way to make users feel loved.
>
> ---
> In
> Xbox@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Xbox%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "PSCG
> Cleveland"
> <pscgcleveland@...>
> <mailto:pscgcleveland@...>
>
> wrote:
>
> Ain't this more like 'Sony gloats having
> gotten
>
> away with payola
>
>
> and holding a gun to people's heads to
> ensure
>
> BluRay won out'?
>
>
> Ya know as more of an MS fan in the console
> wars
>
> to this point,
>
>
> I've had the decency not to run Sony into the
>
> ground
> as the pompus
>
>
> asses they are, but this schmuck makes me want to
>
> take
> them
>
>
> down constantly anymore.
>
> If y'all remember, I can be quoted as
> saying Sony
>
> would instantly
>
>
> turn into smug (*#$(#*$(* shortly after
> pulling
>
> their underhanded
>
>
> deals.
>
> I think the cat says it all!
>
> On Thu,
> Apr 10, 2008 at 10:40 AM,
> Nelson Pacheco
>
> <nelson@...> <mailto:nelson@...>
> wrote:
>
>
> LOL
>
> Thanks,
> Nelson
>
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> unch
> ed-
> yourself-out-of-the-fight/
>
>
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> Filed under:
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>
>
>
> <http://www.gamepro.com/sony/ps3/games/features/
>
> 174588.shtml>Sony
> is back
>
>
>
> to their typical mudslinging ways (because we
>
> all know
> Microsoft
> is an
>
>
>
> angel) when, in an interview
> with
>
> GamePro<http://www.gamepro.com/
> sony/ps3/games/features/174588.shtml>,
>
>
>
> Sony's
> Marketing VP Scott Steinberg mocked
>
> Microsoft's
> marketing
> strategy
>
>
>
> saying that they "may have punched themselves
>
> out of
> the fight".
> Really?
>
>
>
> In the interview, Steinberg decided
> to
>
> gloat<http:/
> <http://mail.google.com/>/
> www.xbox360fanboy
>
> <http://www.xbox360fanboy/>.com/category/console-wars/>abo
> ut
> the
>
> PS3's
>
>
>
>
> upcoming
> catalog
> of games, console features and superb
>
>
>
> Blu-ray tech all while pointing out
> that their
>
> "competition has
> already
>
>
>
> leveraged all their big assets in
> the first
>
> couple of years" and
> doesn't
>
>
>
> have anything left to offer. A
> metaphorical
>
> knockout to one's
> self.
>
>
>
> Steinberg further went on to say
> that they "are
>
> the [HD movie]
> standard"
>
>
>
> with a "formula [that] is going
> to drive
>
> consumers to the PS3"
> ... amazing.
>
>
>
> So, we guess a hugely
> successful Xbox Live
>
> Arcade, a Video
> Marketplace,
>
>
>
> games like *Halo
> Wars*
>
> <http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/tag/halo-
> wars>, *Ninja
>
>
>
> Gaiden II*
> <http://ninja-gaiden-ii/>,
> *Fable
>
> 2*<http://
> www.xbox360fanboy
> <http://www.xbox360fanboy/>.com/tag/fable-2>,
>
>
>
> *Banjo-Kazooie
> 3*
>
> <http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/tag/banjo-kazooie-
> 3> and *Gears
>
>
>
> of War
> 2*
>
> <http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/tag/gears-of-war-2>
> don't
> mean
>
>
>
> much to
> Mr. Steinberg and his magical, global
>
> warming ending,
> world
> peace
>
>
>
> bringing Blu-ray
> technology.
>
> Read
>
> <http://www.gamepro.com/sony/ps3/games/features/
> 174588.shtml>
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> News
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> Http://www.Gamersvue.Com
>
> Operated by 'The PogoWolf'
> and
> ToddATV
>
> Affiliate
> Group(s):
> http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/gamers_for_life
>
> Tell
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>
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> ToddATV
>
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