they wouldn't allow keyboard and mouse controls on the 360 in games. I would
be happy to play UT3 on 360 with a keyboard and mouse, I have played it on
the TV using the PC - although being that close did make me kinda dizzy.
Alex.
On Thursday 17 April 2008 16:32:25 PSCG Cleveland wrote:
> LOL, well apparently you haven't watched my other half play FFXI on
> our home 360 with that very same keyboard & mouse plugged into the
> USB port? That line has blurred significantly!
>
> I mean my PC here in the office isn't as loaded up and powerful on
> the hardware/graphics side as any 360 we have. Only advantage I'd
> have is a larger HDD and burning capability on the DVD-RW, otherwise
> my CPU, GPU & RAM are underpowered in comparison.
>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Alex Atkin <yahoo@maewhitman.com> wrote:
> > I suppose at the end of the day, its all your perception of what a PC is.
> > Seeing as it stands for Personal Computer you could argue your cell phone
> > is a PC or any number of things. But in this context I think we mean a
> > device with a graphics chip, fairly powerful CPU and USB ports so you can
> > use a keyboard and mouse.
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> > On Thursday 17 April 2008 15:30:48 PSCG Cleveland wrote:
> > > I think that was a point I'd made tho, PC's require a separated Vid
> > > card to come close to what's inside the GPU on the 360.
> > >
> > > But, I'll differ with you on the statement of nothing exists that's
> > > as good as a midrange card, I just fired off a PC system with an ECS
> > > motherboard and an NVidia GPU onboard splitting 1GB of RAM, 256MB to
> > > the onboard GPU. Didn't see any major problems beyond the expected
> > > little bugs from some games the guy's playing on it because of the
> > > variations of ATI, NVidia, etc. as I mentioned. So they do and have
> > > existed and they've seriously improved with AMD buying ATI out and
> > > NVidia scrambling to partner up with other mobo manufacturers so they
> > > don't get shut out. Both make vid cards that obviously outperform and
> > > all-in-one setup as well.
> > >
> > > The main comparison I made was that 360 games and even PS3 games
> > > run best on those consoles because there's no variables like a PC.
> > > It's all one way or the highway. If there was only one PC mobo
> > > manufacturer and we all had the same stuff in our PC's we'd see the
> > > same effect.
> > >
> > > I know we could go on and start heading off-topic arguing the points
> > > about the PC/360 bit, but the 360 still remains as close to an
> > > all-in-one PC as you're going to find. Mobo, RAM, CPU, GPU, HDD, Disc
> > > Drive, USB's, removable drives and far more are the same as thsoe on
> > > PC's. I mean someone's already cracked the 360's OS and lock-outs and
> > > have been running Linux on the fool things for like a year? I think
> > > the story was reprinted in here even... If that ain't the definition of
> > > a PC, I don't know what is!
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:39 AM, Alex Atkin <yahoo@maewhitman.com>
wrote:
> > > > People always say the 360 is a PC but that's not exactly true. You
> > > > aren't giving credit to Microsoft for the shared memory architecture.
> > > >
> > > > Sure, PCs also have shared memory but its a completely different
> > > > beast to the 360. There isn't a single PC on the market that shares
> > > > the system RAM with the GPU that actually is any good (compared to a
> > > > mid-range graphics card with its own RAM). The memory in a PC is
> > > > simply too bottlenecked with the chipset and with too little
> > > > bandwidth to handle both system and graphics operations. However by
> > > > some custom magic the 360 CAN handle that and its even a benefit to
> > > > it, whereas on the PC its a curse that slows the whole thing down.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not saying the 360 doesn't have anything in common with a PC.
> > > > But by that logic almost all computing devices are PCs. Fact is,
> > > > theres only so many configurations for a CPU, GPU, RAM and how to
> > > > interface those parts with each other (the chipset). So of course it
> > > > has stuff in common with PCs, as does any games console with a
> > > > dedicated GPU, your broadband router, your DVD player, etc. Heck,
> > > > the early HD-DVD and Blu-ray players use Pentium 4s as their CPU.
> > > >
> > > > The only difference is that devices which do not necessarily need to
> > > > be as powerful as a PC are customised so that all the chipset,CPU etc
> > > > can be in a single chip rather than a PC which has them scattered
> > > > across the motherboard for heat dissipation and upgradability.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry to go on, but I find it hugely disrespectful to the hardware
> > > > designers to say that the 360 is ONLY a PC crammed into a smaller
> > > > box. Particularly as some PCs are almost as small as the 360 but
> > > > don't overheat. So you also have to respect the fact that the
> > > > hardware design of the 360 has been customised BADLY in some
> > > > respects. It needed a slightly bigger box for sufficient airflow,
> > > > they even clearly changed the settings on the fans in dashboard
> > > > updates because they realised that. Mine clearly ramps the fan speeds
> > > > up much quicker than it used to (both before and after they replaced
> > > > the motherboard).
> > > >
> > > > Alex.
> > > >
> > > > On Wednesday 16 April 2008 20:41:53 PSCG Cleveland wrote:
> > > > > Oh no argument there at all, I mean the 360 IS a PC! It's an AMD
> > > > > custom box packed in like a sardine and given a limited set of
> > > > > functionality by it's hardware and it's operating system. Other
> > > > > systems like the NES, SNES and PSOne on up until the OBX were
> > > > > custom-designed from the ground up to be game consoles. Finally
> > > > > the dopes got smart and figured out the PC guys had it right, take
> > > > > their hardware instead and just revamp it.
> > > > >
> > > > > So I'm fully with ya on the PC's place in gaming overall, there
> > > > > are things a 360 or PS3 won't or can't do that a PC has the option
> > > > > to provide... such as huge hard drives, multiple displays and more.
> > > > > I started using 'twins' (2 monitors) about 7 years ago on my main
> > > > > tower and now I can't live without it. Laptop drives me nuts in
> > > > > comparison, widescreen helps over my old one that finally got
> > > > > retired, but I gotta have at least the 2 monitors and only dream of
> > > > > having the cabbage around to go to 3 or 4 and get some games that
> > > > > can handle displays like that seamlessly!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Alan K. Martinez
> > > > >
> > > > > <akmartinez1@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Remember the PC has its place in the gaming industry too…
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It was the a match made in heaven with PC's and the gaming
> > > > > > industry in the early 90's in my opinion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It was because of the high demands of games and people with
> > > > > > disposable income at the time that created the demand for bigger
> > > > > > better faster bad ass CPU's, Video cards and everything else… If
> > > > > > it weren't for gaming then PC industry wouldn't be where it is
> > > > > > now… we might be stuck in the 486/66Mhz era for a while longer…
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At least that's my opinion…
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: Xbox@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Xbox@yahoogroups.com] On
> > > > > > Behalf Of Bruce Ferguson
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:13 PM
> > > > > > To: Xbox@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Xbox] Re: Sony to MS: You've punched yourself out
> > > > > > of the fight
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think games are better on the console then PC. That is what I
> > > > > > used to play on. I saw the light one day when a new Thief game
> > > > > > came out. I really liked that game and excitedly bought it. Geee
> > > > > > it doesn't work. OH, look there is a new feature( can't remember
> > > > > > the name) for shadows, firelight etc. Now I need a new video
> > > > > > card, so you buy the card well Direct X needs to be upgraded.
> > > > > > Dam now the sound card has problems. They don't make drivers for
> > > > > > it any more. Those are the simple things and I am not looking
> > > > > > into memory or processor speed. This was not just one game.
> > > > > > Every time something new came out it was dinking with drivers.
> > > > > > One day I was in Toys-R-US and there is my Thief game for Xbox.
> > > > > > How much is the Xbox????----$150. Bought the console, bought the
> > > > > > game. Connected everything and dropped in the disk and
> > > > > > everything worked no hassles with hardware or software. I have
> > > > > > not looked back since then. Now I have upgraded to an Elite and
> > > > > > love it. Ohhh the PC????? Now it is for internet, e-mail paying
> > > > > > bills etc. and for looking up web sites when I am stuck. I can
> > > > > > have both running at the same time. Neat huhhhh.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bruce
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Alex Atkin wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was wondering the same.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I for one am not ready to ditch the 360 quite yet. In fact, the
> > > > > > consoles are about at the point where releasing a new console
> > > > > > will make minimal differences to the games so I am perfectly
> > > > > > happy to stick with 360 for some time to come, even if PC inches
> > > > > > its way past in graphical power.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Speaking of that though, I do not think PC games are vastly
> > > > > > surpassing the 360
> > > > > > at all. Its going to take a while until enough people have good
> > > > > > enough PCs for the games to really outshine the 360. It was
> > > > > > fairly obvious when the PC was a greater resolution or at least
> > > > > > progressive scan when TVs were not. Now in the HD era, the
> > > > > > difference is less noticable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The only thing I dislike about the 360 is how damn noisy it is.
> > > > > > Although I am
> > > > > > lucky in that I am only on my second console and I had NO DRM
> > > > > > hassle when they replaced the motherboard and DVD-ROM drive, they
> > > > > > migrated my old consoles serial number to the new motherboard.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Am I the only person still bothered about achievements? I still
> > > > > > find it hard to play Wii and PC games due to the lack of
> > > > > > achievements. Yes I know some PC games have em, but if its a
> > > > > > choice between the same game on PC or 360 I choose 360 so they do
> > > > > > not count.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Alex.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tuesday 15 April 2008 14:57:28 PRoPHeTiZeR wrote:
> > > > > > > why do u think 360 is on it's last legs? it might be 50%
> > > > > > > through it's lifespan, maybe.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PogoWolf wrote:
> > > > > > > > Yes.. and the PS3 has been out for how long? It was expected
> > > > > > > > to outsell the 360 by now.
> > > > > > > > again, the 360 is going on it's last legs, and Blu-Ray is now
> > > > > > > > standard..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > of course, that's not how Sony spins the story though.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:47 AM, PRoPHeTiZeR
> > > > > > > > <prophetizer@wrup.net <mailto:prophetizer@wrup.net>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > actually, ps3 has been outselling 360 the past 2-3 months
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > PogoWolf wrote:
> > > > > > > >> Still no where near the Wii and the 360, and it's close
> > > > > > > >> enough to the death of HD-DVD.
> > > > > > > >> and it's not that I hate Sony. I hate the bait and switch
> > > > > > > >> tactics they use and I hate
> > > > > > > >> the 'our shit doesn't stink' attidude of their marketing. I
> > > > > > > >> play EQ2, so it's not like
> > > > > > > >> i'm not giving money to Sony. I still won't own one unless I
> > > > > > > >> win one.. One is given to me,
> > > > > > > >> or I finally get an HD TV with a new sound system and want a
> > > > > > > >> 'HD' DVD player.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Now stop being a Fanboy.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:24 AM, PRoPHeTiZeR
> > > > > > > >> <prophetizer@wrup.net <mailto:prophetizer@wrup.net>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> no, quinn is quite wrong, sales got really strong in
> > > > > > > >> december/january, before hd-dvd was announced dead, you just
> > > > > > > >> hate sony
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> PogoWolf wrote:
> > > > > > > >>> Sorry man.. Quinn was correct with one statement: "the
> > > > > > > >>> system would fail if not for that drive."
> > > > > > > >>> that's true, and the numbers prove it. As soon as people
> > > > > > > >>> found out that HD-DVD was dead
> > > > > > > >>> that's when sales started to pick back up.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> It will be interesting to see what the next year will bring
> > > > > > > >>> for the PS3, since the 360 is on it's last legs
> > > > > > > >>> the 'holy crap!' moments will be few and far between. Where
> > > > > > > >>> as the PS3 is supposed to have more
> > > > > > > >>> power, so the developers should just be starting to see
> > > > > > > >>> what the PS3 can pull off.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> but damn.. Lair is the best game.. the PS3 is doomed to
> > > > > > > >>> doing nothing more then play movies.
> > > > > > > >>> oh wait.. there's also Ridge Racer!!!!!
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 8:36 AM, PRoPHeTiZeR
> > > > > > > >>> <prophetizer@wrup.net <mailto:prophetizer@wrup.net>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> well, your not even close to correct, you probably only
> > > > > > > >>> think this because your a typical fanboy. but lets be
> > > > > > > >>> clear about this, almost any game that comes out for
> > > > > > > >>> 360, is also on the ps3, the ps3 has a rather large
> > > > > > > >>> library, but not a lot of exlusives. ps3 is a fantastic
> > > > > > > >>> system, though 360 is my system of choice, for the
> > > > > > > >>> controller and online play, but i do love my ps3 as well
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> plus, i'm a HD whore, so i love my bluray too LOL
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Quinn Aguirre wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>> nobody has 15 games for their ps3 because they all suck
> > > > > > > >>>> for the most part. everyone has been buying it for the
> > > > > > > >>>> bluray they dont play games on it. the system would
> > > > > > > >>>> fail if not for that drive. the real game players are
> > > > > > > >>>> on 360 or their PS2 not the PS3 thats plain and
> > > > > > > >>>> simple. ~Quinn
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> */Erik Sundquist <lotw_1@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > >>>> <mailto:lotw_1@yahoo.com>/* wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> The funny thing is that all of the new PS3 games
> > > > > > > >>>> are putting large
> > > > > > > >>>> amounts, 3-5g of data onto the HD the 1st time you
> > > > > > > >>>> put a game into
> > > > > > > >>>> the PS3 due to the slowness of the blue-ray drive.
> > > > > > > >>>> So you purchase a
> > > > > > > >>>> game, pop it into your PS3 and wait 5-20 minutes
> > > > > > > >>>> before you can play
> > > > > > > >>>> it while it copies data. I know why it is being
> > > > > > > >>>> done, so that the
> > > > > > > >>>> game loads/streams faster, but there is no choice,
> > > > > > > >>>> automatically
> > > > > > > >>>> takes the HD space away for any game. If you do the
> > > > > > > >>>> math those poor
> > > > > > > >>>> people who own the 40g version will put about 15
> > > > > > > >>>> games into their
> > > > > > > >>>> system and the HD will be full (averaging 3g per
> > > > > > > >>>> game). If you
> > > > > > > >>>> delete that data from the HD it will force the
> > > > > > > >>>> auto-reload of that
> > > > > > > >>>> data the next time you play that game, another 5-20
> > > > > > > >>>> minute wait.
> > > > > > > >>>> Good move Sony, way to make users feel loved.
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> --- In Xbox@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > >>>> <mailto:Xbox%40yahoogroups.com>, "PSCG Cleveland"
> > > > > > > >>>> <pscgcleveland@...> <mailto:pscgcleveland@...>
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>> > Ain't this more like 'Sony gloats having gotten
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> away with payola
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > and holding a gun to people's heads to ensure
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> BluRay won out'?
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > Ya know as more of an MS fan in the console wars
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> to this point,
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > I've had the decency not to run Sony into the
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> ground as the pompus
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > asses they are, but this schmuck makes me want to
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> take them
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > down constantly anymore.
> > > > > > > >>>> >
> > > > > > > >>>> > If y'all remember, I can be quoted as saying Sony
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> would instantly
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > turn into smug (*#$(#*$(* shortly after pulling
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> their underhanded
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > deals.
> > > > > > > >>>> >
> > > > > > > >>>> > I think the cat says it all!
> > > > > > > >>>> >
> > > > > > > >>>> > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Nelson Pacheco
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> <nelson@...> <mailto:nelson@...> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>> > > LOL
> > > > > > > >>>> > >
> > > > > > > >>>> > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > >>>> > > Nelson
> > > > > > > >>>> > >
> > > > > > > >>>> > > ------------------------------
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2008/04/10/sony-to-ms-youve-p
> > > > > > > >>>>unch ed- yourself-out-of-the-fight/
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > > Filed under: News
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> <http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/category/news/>,
> > > > > > > >>>> Console
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > > wars
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> <http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/category/console-wars/>
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > > <http://www.gamepro.com/sony/ps3/games/features/
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> 174588.shtml>Sony is back
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > > to their typical mudslinging ways (because we
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> all know Microsoft
> > > > > > > >>>> is an
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > > angel) when, in an interview with
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> GamePro<http://www.gamepro.com/
> > > > > > > >>>> sony/ps3/games/features/174588.shtml>,
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > > Sony's Marketing VP Scott Steinberg mocked
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Microsoft's marketing
> > > > > > > >>>> strategy
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > > saying that they "may have punched themselves
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> out of the fight".
> > > > > > > >>>> Really?
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > > In the interview, Steinberg decided to
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> gloat<http:/ <http://mail.google.com/>/
> > > > > > > >>>> www.xbox360fanboy
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> <http://www.xbox360fanboy/>.com/category/console-wars/>abo
> > > > > > > >>>>ut the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PS3's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>>> upcoming
> > > > > > > >>>> catalog of games, console features and superb
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > > Blu-ray tech all while pointing out that their
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> "competition has
> > > > > > > >>>> already
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > > leveraged all their big assets in the first
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> couple of years" and
> > > > > > > >>>> doesn't
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > > have anything left to offer. A metaphorical
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> knockout to one's
> > > > > > > >>>> self.
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > > Steinberg further went on to say that they "are
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> the [HD movie]
> > > > > > > >>>> standard"
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > > with a "formula [that] is going to drive
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> consumers to the PS3"
> > > > > > > >>>> ... amazing.
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > > So, we guess a hugely successful Xbox Live
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Arcade, a Video
> > > > > > > >>>> Marketplace,
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > > games like *Halo Wars*
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> <http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/tag/halo-
> > > > > > > >>>> wars>, *Ninja
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > > Gaiden II* <http://ninja-gaiden-ii/>, *Fable
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> 2*<http://
> > > > > > > >>>> www.xbox360fanboy
> > > > > > > >>>> <http://www.xbox360fanboy/>.com/tag/fable-2>,
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > > *Banjo-Kazooie 3*
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> <http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/tag/banjo-kazooie-
> > > > > > > >>>> 3> and *Gears
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > > of War 2*
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> <http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/tag/gears-of-war-2>
> > > > > > > >>>> don't
> > > > > > > >>>> mean
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > > much to Mr. Steinberg and his magical, global
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> warming ending,
> > > > > > > >>>> world peace
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> > > bringing Blu-ray technology.
> > > > > > > >>>> > >
> > > > > > > >>>> > > Read
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> <http://www.gamepro.com/sony/ps3/games/features/
> > > > > > > >>>> 174588.shtml> |
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>
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