Alex.
On Tuesday 08 July 2008 22:01:51 PRoPHeTiZeR wrote:
> LG pre-calibrated?
>
> maybe it's true, maybe it's not, if it is, then thats the first time in
> history, TVs are pre-calibrated for showroom floors, not the home user.
> i just did a quick search at avsforum and don't see anything your
> mentioning, if it was true, it would be there.
>
> Alex Atkin wrote:
> > I never said I did calibrate it right. I only calibrate to what looks
> > good to me, not standards. The LG however is supposed to be
> > pre-calibrated almost perfectly to certain Blu-ray players according to
> > reports online from people who checked it using something like video
> > essentials or whatever its called.
> >
> > I found before I packed it up that sticking it on Cinema mode and
> > cranking the backlight on to full (I hate Cinema brightness even in the
> > Cinema, its too dull and makes me tired) looked fine to me for Blu-ray
> > playback.
> >
> > But anyway yeah my Samsung probably is not optimal whereas the LG pretty
> > much is out of the box. It doesn't alter the fact that the LG is 2 years
> > newer technology and an IPS panel rather than the PVA the Samsung has, so
> > will always look a damn site better than the Samsung. This is heavily
> > helped by PAL Half-HDTVs stupid habit of being 768p instead of 720p and
> > only accepting 720p or 1080i/p (my Samsung does not support 1080p input,
> > slightly too old) over HDMI.
> >
> > Going back to the Samsung feels REALLY laggy. On the LG you can pan the
> > camera around in GTA with fairly good clarity, the Samsung on the other
> > hand makes you dizzy and hard to see with a clearly slower response time
> > - either the panel or software, probably both.
> >
> > We could argue about which manufacturer is better, quite frankly it would
> > be silly as I make no claims to know. I just know the LG panels I have
> > seen look "good enough" to me and Vizios are only sold in the US from
> > what I can tell. A friend of mine has a "budget range" 37" 1080p HDTV and
> > I didn't even realise it was 1080p because it looks like ass. The
> > colours are terrible, its dull, just about any bad point you care to
> > name. Plus its not as if Inside Xbox is worth buying a different TV for
> > even if it WAS the TV at fault, which I doubt it is.
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> > On Tuesday 08 July 2008 12:47:48 PRoPHeTiZeR wrote:
> >> maybe u never calibrated it right, i can easily see how you wouldn't
> >> know how to do that properly, but still thinking that u did it perfectly
> >>
> >> Alex Atkin wrote:
> >>> Well perhaps its an unfair comparison, but my 2 year old Samsung cannot
> >>> get close to the picture quality/vibrant images of a 6 month only,
> >>> smaller, cheaper, LG.
> >>>
> >>> In fact I would go so far as to say my Samsung looks dull, washed out
> >>> and generally not very nice at all. But then, LCD technology likely
> >>> improved a lot in the last 2 years so its not really a surprise.
> >>>
> >>> Put it this way. The latest model LG kicks the living daylights out of
> >>> my old Samsung. Also, its up to $600 less than the 2" smaller
> >>> equivalent Samsung in the shops right now. So why wouldn't I favour
> >>> it?
> >>>
> >>> Alex.
> >>>
> >>> On Monday 07 July 2008 14:39:43 PRoPHeTiZeR wrote:
> >>>> LG are the lower end of LCD's, so i don't care how many they make,
> >>>> quantity doesn't equal quality. samsung may have LCD issues, but they
> >>>> do make some of the best LCD screens, they just have software issues,
> >>>> which is too bad
> >>>>
> >>>> PSCG Cleveland wrote:
> >>>>> It was a sane answer, might've sounded insane to you but to at
> >>>>> least the two of us it's normality. Yes, the Samsung's a mess on
> >>>>> more than just the software side - no argument.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But, what you describe as pluses for the LG's - stock stuff on the
> >>>>> Vizios we use that we've beat the living (#$* out of and never had
> >>>>> any issues like this. All resolutions, multiple formats - never a
> >>>>> dropout or glitch like you describe. Doesn't mean it's not
> >>>>> happening, just that the Vizio's aren't doing it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just to be fair and balanced, not making it look like I love to
> >>>>> just poke you in the eye for fun and sport, I'm getting my hands on
> >>>>> that exact cable and I'm going to give it a whirl with exactly what
> >>>>> you've described on both the Vizio's I have working and also my
> >>>>> personally annoying Olevia/Syntax Brillian 32" as well to see if the
> >>>>> same thing pops up.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And in response, I wasn't planning on giving you a solution - I was
> >>>>> asking for those details to be able to duplicate it on other setups
> >>>>> and see if there is a true glitch or possibly just one on your model
> >>>>> of TV OR if it's just you and you're cursed. The details you
> >>>>> originally gave is more like 'my ass hurts' and not 'my butt hurts
> >>>>> when I sit on a metal table and it's -30f outside in the wintertime'
> >>>>> which helps duplicate the environment.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Since my Vizio's are on the road all the time in all kinds of temps
> >>>>> and weather/power conditions if I asked the same thing no one would
> >>>>> probably have the same issues. The Olevia's inside and stable, so
> >>>>> that'd be a totally different environment. We've already noticed a
> >>>>> difference in the calibration of Guitar Hero III's w/the Les Paul's
> >>>>> and the Vizios depending on what kind of power is being supplied to
> >>>>> it. Up to 18ms off in some cases. So that's why I asked where the
> >>>>> rest of the info is, to see if it's something bigger you can't fix or
> >>>>> something in your setups to investigate.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you'd rather just have Proph and me poke ya and never really
> >>>>> respond to your posts when you ask for help or information, hey just
> >>>>> ask! LOL
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Alex Atkin <yahoo@maewhitman.com>
wrote:
> >>>>>> Of course, the second largest panel producer MUST be the problem.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Seriously, the LG from what I have seen has FAR better software than
> >>>>>> other manufacturers. The Samsung remote and software is just
> >>>>>> pathetic. You couldnt easily jump from EXT1 to HDMI, you had to keep
> >>>>>> slowly (it would take about a second to respond) pressing the input
> >>>>>> select button.. The LG you press input select and it gives you a
> >>>>>> list.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The ONLY problems with the LG are ghosting on all inputs (all TVs do
> >>>>>> it from what I hear, its some bullshit to do with motion
> >>>>>> compensation, its not too noticable from a sane viewing distance
> >>>>>> thankfully) and problems in 100Hz mode
> >>>>>> with fast motion, but I think thats just the nature of trying to
> >>>>>> generate an extra frame from 2 frames - you are gonna get artifacts.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So yeah please give a SANE answer. I am 99% sure this is the 360 at
> >>>>>> fault because the corruption is coming in clear, it just looks like
> >>>>>> a GPU crash to be honest but its not - because it works fine if you
> >>>>>> then exit back out. Like I said, its clearly not the TV as you well
> >>>>>> know once the 360 is set to a
> >>>>>> resolution it ALWAYS outputs that resolution. If the TV couldnt
> >>>>>> handle 1080p then ALL output at 1080p from the 360 would be
> >>>>>> affected, its purely some sort
> >>>>>> of problem upscaling Inside Xbox to 1080p over VGA on my xbox. Very
> >>>>>> odd.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mind you its not half as bad as the PS3. The 2.40 firmware update
> >>>>>> just broke the ability to steam AVIs, although some people had far
> >>>>>> worse issues needing a format of the hard drive in a PC to recover.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Alex.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sunday 06 July 2008 17:54:05 PSCG Cleveland wrote:
> >>>>>>> Heh, well you said it...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But why poor ole' LG? Zenith did so well slapping their nameplate
> >>>>>>> on'em in the beginning, same with some other lower brands that ya
> >>>>>>> know, 'never had issues'.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Remember LG - Life's Good... when ya don't buy one.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 12:50 PM, PRoPHeTiZeR <prophetizer@wrup.net>
> >>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> yes
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> PSCG Cleveland wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> LOL, what the LG? <Grin>
> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 12:45 PM, PRoPHeTiZeR
> >>>>>>>> <prophetizer@wrup.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> theres your problem
> >>>>>>>> Alex Atkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Bingo, EXACTLY why I am using it too.
> >>>>>>>> Its not the TV as Virtua Tennis 3 runs at 1080p perfectly as do
> >>>>>>>> playing HD-DVD
> >>>>>>>> movies. Like I said, its ONLY Inside Xbox.
> >>>>>>>> I failed to give details because I wasn't asking for a fix, just
> >>>>>>>> curious if anyone else had the same glitch. For the record, this
> >>>>>>>> is the 42LG6000 my NEW
> >>>>>>>> TV.
> >>>>>>>> Alex.
> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday 01 July 2008 18:16:35 PRoPHeTiZeR wrote:
> >>>>>>>> well, my 360 doesn't have HDMI, and the VGA looks better than
> >>>>>>>> component, why would anyone use composite?
> >>>>>>>> PSCG Cleveland wrote:
> >>>>>>>> LOL, well ya know... Canadians get butt-naked and Brits can't
> >>>>>>>> figure out buttons so what are we poor air-conditioned Americans
> >>>>>>>> supposed to do? Logic says ya, quit screwing with what doesn't
> >>>>>>>> work and use what does, but apparently we're not logical.
> >>>>>>>>
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