why If figure it probably also supports 120Hz but they only mention 100Hz
because that's relevant to PAL.
For example, I have had the frame-doubling engine (I keep forgetting the name
they call it) turned on when playing games on the PS3 at 60Hz and it
definitely gives the impression of double the frame-rate. I can't imagine it
being that smooth if it was converting 60Hz to 100Hz, would induce more
judder wouldn't it?
Alex.
On Saturday 12 July 2008 02:49:23 PRoPHeTiZeR wrote:
> well, yes, that does make sense, it could be displayed in 100Hz, i mean,
> older tvs that display only 60hz, can play 24p, they just use pulldown.
> 100Hz seems odd to me
>
> Alex Atkin wrote:
> > It claims to be 100Hz but I think that also means it supports 120Hz
> > because its smooth as a babies bottom with it turned on playing Blu-ray.
> > Also you can turn it on with a 60Hz input, wouldn't make sense to be able
> > to do that if it was only 100Hz. Its particularly brilliant for animated
> > movies. The only judder is the odd glitch during fast motion.
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> > On Friday 11 July 2008 15:02:02 PRoPHeTiZeR wrote:
> >> yes, but unless your TV is 120Hz, your 24p isn't going to look as good
> >> as it can, it will have to do pulldown.
> >>
> >> Alex Atkin wrote:
> >>> Actually on that LG its really neat. Not only is it per input but its
> >>> per resolution too.
> >>>
> >>> Its very useful on the PS3 as it means you have the best settings for
> >>> Blu-ray (because it runs at 1080p 24Hz) while also having different
> >>> settings for games (1080p 60Hz). I'm not 100% sure 720p and 1080p have
> >>> their own settings, I never thought to check. Will obviously learn the
> >>> quirks once I get my replacement.
> >>>
> >>> Alex.
> >>>
> >>> On Wednesday 09 July 2008 14:27:56 PRoPHeTiZeR wrote:
> >>>> cool, you need to do this per input though. i use DVE to get basic
> >>>> adjustment, then i adjust to my liking.
> >>>>
> >>>> i havne't found out how to do this with my cable box yet though lol
> >>>>
> >>>> Alex Atkin wrote:
> >>>>> Well Cinema mode is based around D65 supposedly. Perhaps not
> >>>>> pre-calibrated as such, seeing as calibration is about setting your
> >>>>> TV to match your equipment so it can NEVER be perfect out of the box,
> >>>>> depends if your equipment is based around the standard too.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What I meant was its known to be pretty close by default which is
> >>>>> probably close enough for me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Well here are my final settings for HDMI (from upscaling Sony DVD
> >>>>> player). Backlight 20
> >>>>> Contrast 100
> >>>>> Brightness 55
> >>>>> Sharpness 0
> >>>>> Colour 49
> >>>>> Tint G2
> >>>>> Colour Temp Medium
> >>>>> Flesh Contrast Off
> >>>>> Flesh Colour Off
> >>>>> Noise Reduction Off
> >>>>> Gamma Medium
> >>>>> Black Low
> >>>>> Eye Care Off
> >>>>> Real Cinema Off
> >>>>> TruMotion Low
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The only thing to "tweak" is the backlight according to the ambient
> >>>>> light in the room.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> These settings were arrived at using the DVE disc and the RGB colour
> >>>>> filters.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's amazing how close to D65 this set can get (on the standard
> >>>>> picture setting) by simply adjusting the main colour setting and the
> >>>>> tint a fraction."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Alex.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tuesday 08 July 2008 22:01:51 PRoPHeTiZeR wrote:
> >>>>>> LG pre-calibrated?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> maybe it's true, maybe it's not, if it is, then thats the first time
> >>>>>> in history, TVs are pre-calibrated for showroom floors, not the home
> >>>>>> user. i just did a quick search at avsforum and don't see anything
> >>>>>> your mentioning, if it was true, it would be there.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Alex Atkin wrote:
> >>>>>>> I never said I did calibrate it right. I only calibrate to what
> >>>>>>> looks good to me, not standards. The LG however is supposed to be
> >>>>>>> pre-calibrated almost perfectly to certain Blu-ray players
> >>>>>>> according to reports online from people who checked it using
> >>>>>>> something like video essentials or whatever its called.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I found before I packed it up that sticking it on Cinema mode and
> >>>>>>> cranking the backlight on to full (I hate Cinema brightness even in
> >>>>>>> the Cinema, its too dull and makes me tired) looked fine to me for
> >>>>>>> Blu-ray playback.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But anyway yeah my Samsung probably is not optimal whereas the LG
> >>>>>>> pretty much is out of the box. It doesn't alter the fact that the
> >>>>>>> LG is 2 years newer technology and an IPS panel rather than the PVA
> >>>>>>> the Samsung has, so will always look a damn site better than the
> >>>>>>> Samsung. This is heavily helped by PAL Half-HDTVs stupid habit of
> >>>>>>> being 768p instead of 720p and only accepting 720p or 1080i/p (my
> >>>>>>> Samsung does not support 1080p input, slightly too old) over HDMI.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Going back to the Samsung feels REALLY laggy. On the LG you can
> >>>>>>> pan the camera around in GTA with fairly good clarity, the Samsung
> >>>>>>> on the other hand makes you dizzy and hard to see with a clearly
> >>>>>>> slower response time - either the panel or software, probably both.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We could argue about which manufacturer is better, quite frankly it
> >>>>>>> would be silly as I make no claims to know. I just know the LG
> >>>>>>> panels I have seen look "good enough" to me and Vizios are only
> >>>>>>> sold in the US from what I can tell. A friend of mine has a "budget
> >>>>>>> range" 37" 1080p HDTV and I didn't even realise it was 1080p
> >>>>>>> because it looks like ass. The colours are terrible, its dull, just
> >>>>>>> about any bad point you care to name. Plus its not as if Inside
> >>>>>>> Xbox is worth buying a different TV for even if it WAS the TV at
> >>>>>>> fault, which I doubt it is.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Alex.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tuesday 08 July 2008 12:47:48 PRoPHeTiZeR wrote:
> >>>>>>>> maybe u never calibrated it right, i can easily see how you
> >>>>>>>> wouldn't know how to do that properly, but still thinking that u
> >>>>>>>> did it perfectly
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Alex Atkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Well perhaps its an unfair comparison, but my 2 year old Samsung
> >>>>>>>>> cannot get close to the picture quality/vibrant images of a 6
> >>>>>>>>> month only, smaller, cheaper, LG.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In fact I would go so far as to say my Samsung looks dull, washed
> >>>>>>>>> out and generally not very nice at all. But then, LCD technology
> >>>>>>>>> likely improved a lot in the last 2 years so its not really a
> >>>>>>>>> surprise.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Put it this way. The latest model LG kicks the living daylights
> >>>>>>>>> out of my old Samsung. Also, its up to $600 less than the 2"
> >>>>>>>>> smaller equivalent Samsung in the shops right now. So why
> >>>>>>>>> wouldn't I favour it?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Alex.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Monday 07 July 2008 14:39:43 PRoPHeTiZeR wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> LG are the lower end of LCD's, so i don't care how many they
> >>>>>>>>>> make, quantity doesn't equal quality. samsung may have LCD
> >>>>>>>>>> issues, but they do make some of the best LCD screens, they just
> >>>>>>>>>> have software issues, which is too bad
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> PSCG Cleveland wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> It was a sane answer, might've sounded insane to you but to
> >>>>>>>>>>> at least the two of us it's normality. Yes, the Samsung's a
> >>>>>>>>>>> mess on more than just the software side - no argument.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> But, what you describe as pluses for the LG's - stock stuff
> >>>>>>>>>>> on the Vizios we use that we've beat the living (#$* out of and
> >>>>>>>>>>> never had any issues like this. All resolutions, multiple
> >>>>>>>>>>> formats - never a dropout or glitch like you describe. Doesn't
> >>>>>>>>>>> mean it's not happening, just that the Vizio's aren't doing it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Just to be fair and balanced, not making it look like I
> >>>>>>>>>>> love to just poke you in the eye for fun and sport, I'm getting
> >>>>>>>>>>> my hands on that exact cable and I'm going to give it a whirl
> >>>>>>>>>>> with exactly what you've described on both the Vizio's I have
> >>>>>>>>>>> working and also my personally annoying Olevia/Syntax Brillian
> >>>>>>>>>>> 32" as well to see if the same thing pops up.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> And in response, I wasn't planning on giving you a solution
> >>>>>>>>>>> - I was asking for those details to be able to duplicate it on
> >>>>>>>>>>> other setups and see if there is a true glitch or possibly just
> >>>>>>>>>>> one on your model of TV OR if it's just you and you're cursed.
> >>>>>>>>>>> The details you originally gave is more like 'my ass hurts' and
> >>>>>>>>>>> not 'my butt hurts when I sit on a metal table and it's -30f
> >>>>>>>>>>> outside in the wintertime' which helps duplicate the
> >>>>>>>>>>> environment.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Since my Vizio's are on the road all the time in all kinds
> >>>>>>>>>>> of temps and weather/power conditions if I asked the same thing
> >>>>>>>>>>> no one would probably have the same issues. The Olevia's
> >>>>>>>>>>> inside and stable, so that'd be a totally different
> >>>>>>>>>>> environment. We've already noticed a difference in the
> >>>>>>>>>>> calibration of Guitar Hero III's w/the Les Paul's and the
> >>>>>>>>>>> Vizios depending on what kind of power is being supplied to it.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Up to 18ms off in some cases. So that's why I asked where the
> >>>>>>>>>>> rest of the info is, to see if it's something bigger you can't
> >>>>>>>>>>> fix or something in your setups to investigate.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> If you'd rather just have Proph and me poke ya and never
> >>>>>>>>>>> really respond to your posts when you ask for help or
> >>>>>>>>>>> information, hey just ask! LOL
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Alex
> >>>>>>>>>>> Atkin<yahoo@maewhitman.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, the second largest panel producer MUST be the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> problem.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Seriously, the LG from what I have seen has FAR better
> >>>>>>>>>>>> software than other manufacturers. The Samsung remote and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> software is just pathetic. You couldnt easily jump from EXT1
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to HDMI, you had to keep slowly (it would take about a second
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to respond) pressing the input select button.. The LG you
> >>>>>>>>>>>> press input select and it gives you a list.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The ONLY problems with the LG are ghosting on all inputs (all
> >>>>>>>>>>>> TVs do it from what I hear, its some bullshit to do with
> >>>>>>>>>>>> motion compensation, its not too noticable from a sane viewing
> >>>>>>>>>>>> distance thankfully) and problems in 100Hz mode
> >>>>>>>>>>>> with fast motion, but I think thats just the nature of trying
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to generate an extra frame from 2 frames - you are gonna get
> >>>>>>>>>>>> artifacts.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> So yeah please give a SANE answer. I am 99% sure this is the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 360 at fault because the corruption is coming in clear, it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> just looks like a GPU crash to be honest but its not - because
> >>>>>>>>>>>> it works fine if you then exit back out. Like I said, its
> >>>>>>>>>>>> clearly not the TV as you well know once the 360 is set to a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> resolution it ALWAYS outputs that resolution. If the TV
> >>>>>>>>>>>> couldnt handle 1080p then ALL output at 1080p from the 360
> >>>>>>>>>>>> would be affected, its purely some sort
> >>>>>>>>>>>> of problem upscaling Inside Xbox to 1080p over VGA on my xbox.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Very odd.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mind you its not half as bad as the PS3. The 2.40 firmware
> >>>>>>>>>>>> update just broke the ability to steam AVIs, although some
> >>>>>>>>>>>> people had far worse issues needing a format of the hard drive
> >>>>>>>>>>>> in a PC to recover.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Alex.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 06 July 2008 17:54:05 PSCG Cleveland wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Heh, well you said it...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But why poor ole' LG? Zenith did so well slapping their
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> nameplate on'em in the beginning, same with some other lower
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> brands that ya know, 'never had issues'.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember LG - Life's Good... when ya don't buy one.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 12:50 PM, PRoPHeTiZeR
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <prophetizer@wrup.net>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PSCG Cleveland wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL, what the LG?<Grin>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 12:45 PM, PRoPHeTiZeR
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <prophetizer@wrup.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> theres your problem
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex Atkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bingo, EXACTLY why I am using it too.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its not the TV as Virtua Tennis 3 runs at 1080p perfectly as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> do playing HD-DVD
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> movies. Like I said, its ONLY Inside Xbox.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I failed to give details because I wasn't asking for a fix,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just curious if anyone else had the same glitch. For the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> record, this is the 42LG6000 my NEW
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> TV.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday 01 July 2008 18:16:35 PRoPHeTiZeR wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> well, my 360 doesn't have HDMI, and the VGA looks better
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than component, why would anyone use composite?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PSCG Cleveland wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL, well ya know... Canadians get butt-naked and Brits
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't figure out buttons so what are we poor air-conditioned
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Americans supposed to do? Logic says ya, quit screwing with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what doesn't work and use what does, but apparently we're
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not logical.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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