here, Pogo asked we move along but hey - thanks for paying attention
on that too. No wonder this stuff never stops, always gotta be one
unlicensed smartass.
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Chris Ellis <kenny4167@yahoo.com> wrote:
> are you really adam sessler?
>
> Majestik <mystamajestik@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> No problem, I can see how what I said could have been taken...and had to
> realize that I am very new here, and that no one here "knows" me or who/how
> I am yet. Sorry for the confusion, really. Seems we are in the same book,
> just on different pages.
>
> If there is a way to actually make a difference on Live!....please, tell me
> where that line starts because I'd love to help. ( I'd also love to be there
> when that dumbass forgets he's not in his room behind a headset and spouts
> off the wrong thing(s)....that has to be priceless. )
>
> Maybe some sort of world-wide petition to change the complaint system or
> something to make M$ aware that we are tired of it and what they have in
> place isn't helping? I dunno if it would help or if it has been tried, but
> an idea.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 7:40 PM, PSCG Cleveland <pscgcleveland@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, quite a bit more sensible...
>>
>> On the 'little runts', we probably play different games (when I get the
>> chance to actually play vs. giving our customers that ability and sending
>> my worship offerings to Proph because Medicare and SS just don't make
>> the payments on that 65" Plasma!!!) but what I've been treated to has
>> been a majority of kids. I did mention it's all ages-but the worst I've
>> heard
>> have been kids and we're talking the 18 and Under crowd in that batch.
>>
>> And no, I don't waste time pegging the phone morons they're actually
>> rather entertaining and make great targets too! LOL They don't even
>> think of what they're doing and when the girlfriend gets on them for a
>> hot date or bitching them out they lose focus and it's easier than sniping
>> a little 10 year old smartass with a 'tude. So I fully agree and also only
>> peg those who are obviously violating rules of conduct.
>>
>> Like I said originally though, how come Pogo and Square Enix not
>> only nail all kinds of problems like these through the same type of
>> reporting system but they make public examples of those rule violators
>> and refuse to take their money by kicking their accounts? Why isn't
>> MS that responsible when they provide an easy method, really easier
>> than the other two?? That's where I'm stumped.
>>
>> Now, in my line of work I see Gamers of all ages all week long. And
>> yes, I can actually state as fact quite a few folks and families have
>> dropped the Live! hookups and play offline or head-to-head locally due
>> to the offensive language and conduct. And their races aren't singular,
>> it's spread all over the map. So ya, that actually happen! But MS
>> is more worried about everything else to see the 'little problems'
>>
>> And it is more prevalent online where you can be anonymous, even
>> on the PC beyond games. But I've stood witness in tournaments
>> where people have pulled the same stuff so sadly it's all over. They
>> get sucked into the games and forget they're in a room with tons of
>> people playing - spout off something ignorant - then the fun begins.
>> To the point of small riots and worse in some cases. But my business
>> at least tries to stem the tides and deal with the attitudes to keep it
>> clean and enjoyable for everyone. So I try not to see colors, just
>> gamers. Doesn't always work that way but it's part of our gameplan.
>>
>> I'm sorry, your early responses did come off as more of a 'whatever'
>> and maybe that's from the frustration of seeing and experiencing what
>> you have. I'll be the first to admit I'm white as a ghost and about a
>> straight up plain old American so I don't get it in my face like others
>> do, but I step in wherever possible if I see it. But, I do fit into other
>> stereotypes and have been subject to just different forms of the same
>> crap - so I'm more than aware of what's possible. And being around
>> for a long time I've sadly worked in various places and spent enough
>> time on the streets to have seen the nasty side of things as well.
>>
>> So I wasn't trying to nail you for anything, I guess I was just taken
>> aback that someone who's been the victim would sound like they
>> had the least amount of interest in being a part of the solution for
>> this particular subject since it's about gaming and being online. I
>> see you're more active but just in other ways, which is great!
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Majestik <mystamajestik@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Of course I 'tag' the people that deserve it. But, before I go any
>> > further,
>> > don't dismiss them as "little runts", as that makes it seem like you
>> > blame
>> > the kids. More "adults" seem to bring this type of behavior to the table
>> > than kids, in my experience. I don't, however, file a complaint on every
>> > person that sings or talks in a squeaky voice....or those that talk on
>> > the
>> > phone while they play or yell down to their mothers without muting their
>> > mic. That, in my opinion, is unnecessary and floods the system with
>> > foolish
>> > complaints. For those people, before I opted to only hear my Friend
>> > List, I
>> > used the 'Mute' feature. Simple enough, and that's what the tool is for.
>> > Filing an actual complaint for that obviously doesn't work....and I can
>> > see
>> > why.
>> >
>> > I'll need some clarification on when I played the 'race
>> > card'....because,
>> > all I did was tell you straight what I have experienced....and if I went
>> > in
>> > to detail, you'd cringe at the thought of comparing that to hearing the
>> > "N"
>> > word on a headset from some person that you'll never meet showing off.
>> > never
>> > did I use my race as anything other than what it was - a first hand
>> > example....not a bunch of people who have never had to actually deal
>> > with
>> > the true detriment of racism. I can tell you this, in my time I have
>> > seen
>> > almost equal parts racism from my people and against them. Both sides
>> > are
>> > terribly wrong and meed to be punished for it an taught a lesson. I'm
>> > not
>> > laying anything on just one side. Maybe I should have been clearer...but
>> > I
>> > didn't think I needed to go into such detail. I have seen things most
>> > will
>> > only see on TV or in movies or the News. People dead, people hurt and
>> > just
>> > plain ignorance. Things that I hope you NEVER have to see, nor do your
>> > kids
>> > or family and friends. That could be why when you bring up words, it
>> > just
>> > doesn't seem to be that big of a deal....and easily avoided on a gaming
>> > console.
>> >
>> > When was the last time you told a racist or a bigot on Live! to shut up
>> > and
>> > it worked? I'm not saying it isn't possible...I've just never seen it
>> > happen. Just makes matters worse. We all agree that the "system" M$ has
>> > in
>> > place is a joke....and will continue to be as long as complaints can be
>> > filed for things like singing. I can't imagine that every complaint can
>> > be
>> > looked at when they are flooded with complaints against people just
>> > because
>> > they didn't win a game of Madden or got beat in Rainbow Six all
>> > night....let
>> > alone just disliking someone's accent even though they did nothing wrong
>> > to
>> > them.
>> >
>> > Until M$ decides to spend more time actually dealing with the racists
>> > and
>> > bigots, rather than hunting down and punishing the Hackers and Game
>> > Savers
>> > - nothing will get done. SO, like I originally stated - use the other
>> > tools
>> > that have been provided and use them to the best of your ability. It
>> > isn't
>> > like you have zero recourse....and it's easier than getting frustrated
>> > every
>> > time someone decides to show you what new words and derogatory terms
>> > they
>> > learned that day.
>> >
>> > You wanna truly fight racism and bigotry, do it at home...and with every
>> > child you meet ( family, friends,etc. ). Racism is learned and that is
>> > fact.
>> > Period. The "adults" are mostly too far gone....but getting a hold of
>> > kids
>> > and "young adults" and teaching them right is the only true way to fight
>> > it
>> > and maybe, hopefully, stamp it out.
>> >
>> > Xbox won't do it. Why would they? You think racism has caused anyone to
>> > drop
>> > their subsciption to Live! or sell their 360? I sure don't....and,
>> > apparently, neither does Microsoft.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:34 PM, PSCG Cleveland
>> > <pscgcleveland@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> What I said originally was simply looking the other way and dismissing
>> >> it as worthless isn't a solution. That's what you wrote essentially,
>> >> that
>> >> Sessler's basically a raving idiot and everyone who hears something
>> >> they
>> >> don't like or agree with should simply tune out and block the morons
>> >> vs.
>> >> taking some sort of active role in helping to stop it. What your words
>> >> certainly sounded like was 'get over it, deal with it, get on with your
>> >> life
>> >> and Sessler should try it too'.
>> >>
>> >> That's missing my point. My point was dismissal and ignorance of a
>> >> problem doesn't solve it. No, I don't want you to teach my kids or
>> >> anyone
>> >> else's for that matter from what I've seen. It's great you do something
>> >> about the general problem, but what you posted here certainly sounded
>> >> the exact opposite. If that's not what you meant, don't get all pissy
>> >> and
>> >> put it off on the rest of us with the 'I'll stay out of it' bit
>> >> either. This reply
>> >> is the first I've seen you say you do all that you're claiming you do.
>> >>
>> >> And again, that's great but it was discussed that the system MS uses
>> >> isn't effective and Sessler's even saying the same thing. Your reply
>> >> essentially said 'oh well' and I don't recall seeing you mention you
>> >> even
>> >> tag the little runts who need to learn better in the Live! environment.
>> >>
>> >> The Pitchforks and Torches - that's my point exactly. Overdramatizing
>> >> things and then dismissing them like nothing is why the problem never
>> >> goes away. A more intelligent answer would be heard a whole lot better
>> >> than a 'deal with it and quit crying'. You want to march on Microsoft,
>> >> that's your problem. Sessler's saying we need to make our points to
>> >> them to get some changes to happen. Nothing wrong with that at all.
>> >>
>> >> And then playing the race card? Don't worry Pogo, I'm done on this as
>> >> well because it's a brick wall. Anyone who whips that card out of the
>> >> deck needs to find a mirror and stare at it until they realize they're
>> >> where
>> >> the source of the problem is and not point at everyone else is sight
>> >> and
>> >> lay blame. I can't even believe most of that junk when I read it, it
>> >> does
>> >> explain a whole lot, that's for sure.
>> >>
>> >> Your saying 'whatever'. That's about as ignorant as the racism, sexual
>> >> and noise-making crap in the first place.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Majestik <mystamajestik@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > How have I "ignored" it? I have told you that I file complaints and
>> >> > send
>> >> > bad
>> >> > feedback...what else do you want me to do....other than teach my kids
>> >> > and my
>> >> > nieces and nephews how to act right and deal with racism and bigotry
>> >> > the
>> >> > proper way - and not to spout such hatred themselves? Any
>> >> > suggestions?
>> >> > I'd
>> >> > love to hear what else I am responsible for. Want me to teach your
>> >> > kids,
>> >> > too. Or, do you want me to march on M$ offices and demand
>> >> > satisfaction?
>> >> > You
>> >> > bring the torches....I'll grab the pitchforks. Meet me around back.
>> >> >
>> >> > What I DON'T do, is allow some people who I will never have a chance
>> >> > to
>> >> > meet
>> >> > effect me to the point where I am crying to a bunch of other people I
>> >> > don't
>> >> > know about how they have affected my life in a negative way. What I
>> >> > WON'T
>> >> > do, is allow you or anyone else dictate to me what my "moral
>> >> > responsibility"
>> >> > is to my fellow gamers. That's a joke. I'm not your Father, Mother,
>> >> > Uncle or
>> >> > even your Guidance Counselor - what I am, is a grown man that has
>> >> > seen
>> >> > more
>> >> > hatred and violence because of the color of my skin than I'd care to.
>> >> > Why
>> >> > would I allow words to effect me or the way I raise my kids? I have
>> >> > more
>> >> > important things to worry about...and bought a 360 to play games with
>> >> > -
>> >> > not
>> >> > use it as a "moral compass". The battles I have fought ( and continue
>> >> > to
>> >> > fight ) are the ones that actually have a chance of effecting me -
>> >> > the
>> >> > ones
>> >> > that are right in my face every day I walk out the door.
>> >> >
>> >> > And the guy that stated he and his friends are busy firing off
>> >> > message
>> >> > after
>> >> > message because some kid is whistling and singing....you wonder why
>> >> > M$
>> >> > doesn't get to all of the complaints - or doesn't take them all
>> >> > seriously?
>> >> > Singing is a FAR cry from racism/sexism/etc. Pick your battles and
>> >> > use
>> >> > your
>> >> > friggin' mute feature to handle the singing. Use your feedback and
>> >> > your
>> >> > complaint filing for the serious stuff and maybe M$ will start
>> >> > looking
>> >> > in to
>> >> > them.
>> >> >
>> >> > Honestly, if you ( and by "you" I mean anyone - no one specific )
>> >> > allow
>> >> > others to dictate how you are made to feel....you have bigger
>> >> > problems
>> >> > than
>> >> > this. Put down the 360 controller and get some help before the real
>> >> > world
>> >> > shows up at your door and you have no clue what it looks like.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'll stay out of this conversation from now on....as it seems any
>> >> > disagreement on this subject isn't taken very well. Have fun with
>> >> > this....and good luck with the Crusade.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Todd Welch <toddw81@gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I agree that it is easy to stop people on live but that does not
>> >> >> mean
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> should be tolerated. Sessler is not a politician or main stream
>> >> >> personality
>> >> >> so it would be hard for him to combat "Real World' bigotry. So
>> >> >> instead
>> >> >> he
>> >> >> is using what is available to him and that is his celebrity in the
>> >> >> gaming
>> >> >> circles and putting it to good use in my opinion. While it is easy
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> stop
>> >> >> on live does not mean bigotry needs to be tolerated.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Todd
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Majestik <mystamajestik@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> This is a joke. If Sessler, or anyone else for that matter, wants
>> >> >>> to
>> >> >>> fight racism or bias - go do it where it actually hurts....in the
>> >> >>> real
>> >> >>> world. Microsoft offers too many features to "turn off" the racists
>> >> >>> for me
>> >> >>> to listen to people crying about it.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> In the real world ( where I, amongst the millions of others, deal
>> >> >>> with
>> >> >>> it
>> >> >>> every day ), we have no "mute" feature....and we will never have a
>> >> >>> feature
>> >> >>> that allows us to decrease the chances of running into those people
>> >> >>> again.
>> >> >>> We can't simply click on them and make them go away....which would
>> >> >>> be
>> >> >>> nice,
>> >> >>> but impossible.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> This is not to say I think that people should be able to spit
>> >> >>> hatred/sexism/etc. from behind a headset....not at all. It's just
>> >> >>> that
>> >> >>> on
>> >> >>> Live!, you are handed ways to combat racism that you will NEVER be
>> >> >>> afforded
>> >> >>> the chance to use in real life. Use them and you can easily avoid
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> problems that arise.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Majestik <mystamajestik@gmail.com>
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> This is a joke. If Sessler, or anyone else for that matter, wants
>> >> >>>> to
>> >> >>>> fight racism or bias - go do it where it actually hurts....in the
>> >> >>>> real
>> >> >>>> world. Microsoft offers too many features to "turn off" the
>> >> >>>> racists
>> >> >>>> for me
>> >> >>>> to listen to people fucking crying about it.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> In the real world ( where I, amongst the millions of others, deal
>> >> >>>> with
>> >> >>>> it every day ), we have no "mute" feature....and we will never
>> >> >>>> have a
>> >> >>>> feature that allows us to decrease the chances of running into
>> >> >>>> those
>> >> >>>> people
>> >> >>>> again.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Nelson (nelzp) <nelson@nelzp.com>
>> >> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2008/06/12/adam-sessler-on-live-biggots/
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Filed under: News, Xbox Live
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> In his regular video feature, Sessler's Soapbox, G4TV personality
>> >> >>>>> Adam
>> >> >>>>> Sessler tackles one of the fastest growing and despicable trends
>> >> >>>>> in
>> >> >>>>> Xbox
>> >> >>>>> Live history; bigotry. In short, Sessler challenges Xbox Live
>> >> >>>>> users
>> >> >>>>> who feel
>> >> >>>>> the need to spew racist and homophobic remarks in order to convey
>> >> >>>>> their
>> >> >>>>> emotions during gaming to actually think about what they're
>> >> >>>>> saying.
>> >> >>>>> We
>> >> >>>>> encountered a similar experience while playing Uno during our
>> >> >>>>> last
>> >> >>>>> X3F LIVE
>> >> >>>>> event, where a kid--who couldn't have been older than 10, thought
>> >> >>>>> it
>> >> >>>>> was
>> >> >>>>> important to express all of the new slurs he had learned (from
>> >> >>>>> the
>> >> >>>>> schoolyard and probably also from his Xbox Live sessions).
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> The issue is huge and disgusting. Sessler couldn't be more
>> >> >>>>> accurate
>> >> >>>>> when he says that we fight so hard to remove the negative
>> >> >>>>> stigma's
>> >> >>>>> attributed to gamers while ignoring the fact that we're becoming
>> >> >>>>> one
>> >> >>>>> of the
>> >> >>>>> biggest, and organized, bigotry groups in the world. Listen up
>> >> >>>>> because we're
>> >> >>>>> only saying this once. Yelling racial and homophobic remarks
>> >> >>>>> doesn't
>> >> >>>>> make
>> >> >>>>> you cool and it isn't funny to anyone else in the room, so ditch
>> >> >>>>> those
>> >> >>>>> comments and get more creative.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Quit being the reason why we hate the service we pay for, it only
>> >> >>>>> makes
>> >> >>>>> us all look bad and removes all arguments that gaming is the
>> >> >>>>> revolution in
>> >> >>>>> connected entertainment. As now former Microsoft marketing exec
>> >> >>>>> Jeff
>> >> >>>>> Bell
>> >> >>>>> once said, "Your contribution to society is ... what?"
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> The video can be found after the jump.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Continue reading Adam Sessler on Xbox Live Biggots
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Read | Permalink | Email this | Comments
>> >> >>>>>
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>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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