on the loop? Man I was just ready to book my $1 MegaBus double-decker
seat outta C-Town to come up there and see the place too! That sucks! But
hey, like they sing... 'ya we movin on up... to the top... to a 3 bedroom house
with a looottttt.. ya movin on up... to the top... we finally bought ourselves a
burial plot' (If ya don't know the tune kids, you obviously don't
have a driver's
license or hit puberty yet but there's hope for ya!)
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:32 PM, PRoPHeTiZeR <prophetizer@wrup.net> wrote:
> yep, you just bought my tv, and the downpayment on my new house, cause i
> need an inground pool, and i simply can't get that in chicago with all the
> above ground power lines
>
> PSCG Cleveland wrote:
>
> But see you are a licensed smartass and I'm your apprentice, which is
> why the check's in the mail for the last 6 month's dues - I swear - just
> waiting on my Gov't Stimulus check... really!
> Sure you didn't mean Adam Sandler? <Grin>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:09 PM, PRoPHeTiZeR <prophetizer@wrup.net> wrote:
>
>
> i don't want it to stop, although, i haven't read this thread, i just delete
> all with this subject, buy hell yea, keep em coming
> i think alex atkin is adam sessler btw, just the dumb ugly bald version
> hahhahaha ok, that was mean, j/k alex
> PSCG Cleveland wrote:
> Are you really dense enough to be asking that question? We're done
> here, Pogo asked we move along but hey - thanks for paying attention
> on that too. No wonder this stuff never stops, always gotta be one
> unlicensed smartass.
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Chris Ellis <kenny4167@yahoo.com> wrote:
> are you really adam sessler?
> Majestik <mystamajestik@gmail.com> wrote:
> No problem, I can see how what I said could have been taken...and had to
> realize that I am very new here, and that no one here "knows" me or who/how
> I am yet. Sorry for the confusion, really. Seems we are in the same book,
> just on different pages.
> If there is a way to actually make a difference on Live!....please, tell me
> where that line starts because I'd love to help. ( I'd also love to be there
> when that dumbass forgets he's not in his room behind a headset and spouts
> off the wrong thing(s)....that has to be priceless. )
> Maybe some sort of world-wide petition to change the complaint system or
> something to make M$ aware that we are tired of it and what they have in
> place isn't helping? I dunno if it would help or if it has been tried, but
> an idea.
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 7:40 PM, PSCG Cleveland <pscgcleveland@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Ok, quite a bit more sensible...
> On the 'little runts', we probably play different games (when I get the
> chance to actually play vs. giving our customers that ability and sending
> my worship offerings to Proph because Medicare and SS just don't make
> the payments on that 65" Plasma!!!) but what I've been treated to has
> been a majority of kids. I did mention it's all ages-but the worst I've
> heard
> have been kids and we're talking the 18 and Under crowd in that batch.
> And no, I don't waste time pegging the phone morons they're actually
> rather entertaining and make great targets too! LOL They don't even
> think of what they're doing and when the girlfriend gets on them for a
> hot date or bitching them out they lose focus and it's easier than sniping
> a little 10 year old smartass with a 'tude. So I fully agree and also only
> peg those who are obviously violating rules of conduct.
> Like I said originally though, how come Pogo and Square Enix not
> only nail all kinds of problems like these through the same type of
> reporting system but they make public examples of those rule violators
> and refuse to take their money by kicking their accounts? Why isn't
> MS that responsible when they provide an easy method, really easier
> than the other two?? That's where I'm stumped.
> Now, in my line of work I see Gamers of all ages all week long. And
> yes, I can actually state as fact quite a few folks and families have
> dropped the Live! hookups and play offline or head-to-head locally due
> to the offensive language and conduct. And their races aren't singular,
> it's spread all over the map. So ya, that actually happen! But MS
> is more worried about everything else to see the 'little problems'
> And it is more prevalent online where you can be anonymous, even
> on the PC beyond games. But I've stood witness in tournaments
> where people have pulled the same stuff so sadly it's all over. They
> get sucked into the games and forget they're in a room with tons of
> people playing - spout off something ignorant - then the fun begins.
> To the point of small riots and worse in some cases. But my business
> at least tries to stem the tides and deal with the attitudes to keep it
> clean and enjoyable for everyone. So I try not to see colors, just
> gamers. Doesn't always work that way but it's part of our gameplan.
> I'm sorry, your early responses did come off as more of a 'whatever'
> and maybe that's from the frustration of seeing and experiencing what
> you have. I'll be the first to admit I'm white as a ghost and about a
> straight up plain old American so I don't get it in my face like others
> do, but I step in wherever possible if I see it. But, I do fit into other
> stereotypes and have been subject to just different forms of the same
> crap - so I'm more than aware of what's possible. And being around
> for a long time I've sadly worked in various places and spent enough
> time on the streets to have seen the nasty side of things as well.
> So I wasn't trying to nail you for anything, I guess I was just taken
> aback that someone who's been the victim would sound like they
> had the least amount of interest in being a part of the solution for
> this particular subject since it's about gaming and being online. I
> see you're more active but just in other ways, which is great!
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Majestik <mystamajestik@gmail.com> wrote:
> Of course I 'tag' the people that deserve it. But, before I go any
> further,
> don't dismiss them as "little runts", as that makes it seem like you
> blame
> the kids. More "adults" seem to bring this type of behavior to the table
> than kids, in my experience. I don't, however, file a complaint on every
> person that sings or talks in a squeaky voice....or those that talk on
> the
> phone while they play or yell down to their mothers without muting their
> mic. That, in my opinion, is unnecessary and floods the system with
> foolish
> complaints. For those people, before I opted to only hear my Friend
> List, I
> used the 'Mute' feature. Simple enough, and that's what the tool is for.
> Filing an actual complaint for that obviously doesn't work....and I can
> see
> why.
> I'll need some clarification on when I played the 'race
> card'....because,
> all I did was tell you straight what I have experienced....and if I went
> in
> to detail, you'd cringe at the thought of comparing that to hearing the
> "N"
> word on a headset from some person that you'll never meet showing off.
> never
> did I use my race as anything other than what it was - a first hand
> example....not a bunch of people who have never had to actually deal
> with
> the true detriment of racism. I can tell you this, in my time I have
> seen
> almost equal parts racism from my people and against them. Both sides
> are
> terribly wrong and meed to be punished for it an taught a lesson. I'm
> not
> laying anything on just one side. Maybe I should have been clearer...but
> I
> didn't think I needed to go into such detail. I have seen things most
> will
> only see on TV or in movies or the News. People dead, people hurt and
> just
> plain ignorance. Things that I hope you NEVER have to see, nor do your
> kids
> or family and friends. That could be why when you bring up words, it
> just
> doesn't seem to be that big of a deal....and easily avoided on a gaming
> console.
> When was the last time you told a racist or a bigot on Live! to shut up
> and
> it worked? I'm not saying it isn't possible...I've just never seen it
> happen. Just makes matters worse. We all agree that the "system" M$ has
> in
> place is a joke....and will continue to be as long as complaints can be
> filed for things like singing. I can't imagine that every complaint can
> be
> looked at when they are flooded with complaints against people just
> because
> they didn't win a game of Madden or got beat in Rainbow Six all
> night....let
> alone just disliking someone's accent even though they did nothing wrong
> to
> them.
> Until M$ decides to spend more time actually dealing with the racists
> and
> bigots, rather than hunting down and punishing the Hackers and Game
> Savers
> - nothing will get done. SO, like I originally stated - use the other
> tools
> that have been provided and use them to the best of your ability. It
> isn't
> like you have zero recourse....and it's easier than getting frustrated
> every
> time someone decides to show you what new words and derogatory terms
> they
> learned that day.
> You wanna truly fight racism and bigotry, do it at home...and with every
> child you meet ( family, friends,etc. ). Racism is learned and that is
> fact.
> Period. The "adults" are mostly too far gone....but getting a hold of
> kids
> and "young adults" and teaching them right is the only true way to fight
> it
> and maybe, hopefully, stamp it out.
> Xbox won't do it. Why would they? You think racism has caused anyone to
> drop
> their subsciption to Live! or sell their 360? I sure don't....and,
> apparently, neither does Microsoft.
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:34 PM, PSCG Cleveland
> <pscgcleveland@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> What I said originally was simply looking the other way and dismissing
> it as worthless isn't a solution. That's what you wrote essentially,
> that
> Sessler's basically a raving idiot and everyone who hears something
> they
> don't like or agree with should simply tune out and block the morons
> vs.
> taking some sort of active role in helping to stop it. What your words
> certainly sounded like was 'get over it, deal with it, get on with your
> life
> and Sessler should try it too'.
> That's missing my point. My point was dismissal and ignorance of a
> problem doesn't solve it. No, I don't want you to teach my kids or
> anyone
> else's for that matter from what I've seen. It's great you do something
> about the general problem, but what you posted here certainly sounded
> the exact opposite. If that's not what you meant, don't get all pissy
> and
> put it off on the rest of us with the 'I'll stay out of it' bit
> either. This reply
> is the first I've seen you say you do all that you're claiming you do.
> And again, that's great but it was discussed that the system MS uses
> isn't effective and Sessler's even saying the same thing. Your reply
> essentially said 'oh well' and I don't recall seeing you mention you
> even
> tag the little runts who need to learn better in the Live! environment.
> The Pitchforks and Torches - that's my point exactly. Overdramatizing
> things and then dismissing them like nothing is why the problem never
> goes away. A more intelligent answer would be heard a whole lot better
> than a 'deal with it and quit crying'. You want to march on Microsoft,
> that's your problem. Sessler's saying we need to make our points to
> them to get some changes to happen. Nothing wrong with that at all.
> And then playing the race card? Don't worry Pogo, I'm done on this as
> well because it's a brick wall. Anyone who whips that card out of the
> deck needs to find a mirror and stare at it until they realize they're
> where
> the source of the problem is and not point at everyone else is sight
> and
> lay blame. I can't even believe most of that junk when I read it, it
> does
> explain a whole lot, that's for sure.
> Your saying 'whatever'. That's about as ignorant as the racism, sexual
> and noise-making crap in the first place.
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Majestik <mystamajestik@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> How have I "ignored" it? I have told you that I file complaints and
> send
> bad
> feedback...what else do you want me to do....other than teach my kids
> and my
> nieces and nephews how to act right and deal with racism and bigotry
> the
> proper way - and not to spout such hatred themselves? Any
> suggestions?
> I'd
> love to hear what else I am responsible for. Want me to teach your
> kids,
> too. Or, do you want me to march on M$ offices and demand
> satisfaction?
> You
> bring the torches....I'll grab the pitchforks. Meet me around back.
> What I DON'T do, is allow some people who I will never have a chance
> to
> meet
> effect me to the point where I am crying to a bunch of other people I
> don't
> know about how they have affected my life in a negative way. What I
> WON'T
> do, is allow you or anyone else dictate to me what my "moral
> responsibility"
> is to my fellow gamers. That's a joke. I'm not your Father, Mother,
> Uncle or
> even your Guidance Counselor - what I am, is a grown man that has
> seen
> more
> hatred and violence because of the color of my skin than I'd care to.
> Why
> would I allow words to effect me or the way I raise my kids? I have
> more
> important things to worry about...and bought a 360 to play games with
> -
> not
> use it as a "moral compass". The battles I have fought ( and continue
> to
> fight ) are the ones that actually have a chance of effecting me -
> the
> ones
> that are right in my face every day I walk out the door.
> And the guy that stated he and his friends are busy firing off
> message
> after
> message because some kid is whistling and singing....you wonder why
> M$
> doesn't get to all of the complaints - or doesn't take them all
> seriously?
> Singing is a FAR cry from racism/sexism/etc. Pick your battles and
> use
> your
> friggin' mute feature to handle the singing. Use your feedback and
> your
> complaint filing for the serious stuff and maybe M$ will start
> looking
> in to
> them.
> Honestly, if you ( and by "you" I mean anyone - no one specific )
> allow
> others to dictate how you are made to feel....you have bigger
> problems
> than
> this. Put down the 360 controller and get some help before the real
> world
> shows up at your door and you have no clue what it looks like.
> I'll stay out of this conversation from now on....as it seems any
> disagreement on this subject isn't taken very well. Have fun with
> this....and good luck with the Crusade.
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Todd Welch <toddw81@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> I agree that it is easy to stop people on live but that does not
> mean
> it
> should be tolerated. Sessler is not a politician or main stream
> personality
> so it would be hard for him to combat "Real World' bigotry. So
> instead
> he
> is using what is available to him and that is his celebrity in the
> gaming
> circles and putting it to good use in my opinion. While it is easy
> to
> stop
> on live does not mean bigotry needs to be tolerated.
> Todd
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Majestik <mystamajestik@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> This is a joke. If Sessler, or anyone else for that matter, wants
> to
> fight racism or bias - go do it where it actually hurts....in the
> real
> world. Microsoft offers too many features to "turn off" the racists
> for me
> to listen to people crying about it.
> In the real world ( where I, amongst the millions of others, deal
> with
> it
> every day ), we have no "mute" feature....and we will never have a
> feature
> that allows us to decrease the chances of running into those people
> again.
> We can't simply click on them and make them go away....which would
> be
> nice,
> but impossible.
> This is not to say I think that people should be able to spit
> hatred/sexism/etc. from behind a headset....not at all. It's just
> that
> on
> Live!, you are handed ways to combat racism that you will NEVER be
> afforded
> the chance to use in real life. Use them and you can easily avoid
> the
> problems that arise.
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Majestik <mystamajestik@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> This is a joke. If Sessler, or anyone else for that matter, wants
> to
> fight racism or bias - go do it where it actually hurts....in the
> real
> world. Microsoft offers too many features to "turn off" the
> racists
> for me
> to listen to people fucking crying about it.
> In the real world ( where I, amongst the millions of others, deal
> with
> it every day ), we have no "mute" feature....and we will never
> have a
> feature that allows us to decrease the chances of running into
> those
> people
> again.
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Nelson (nelzp) <nelson@nelzp.com>
> wrote:
> http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2008/06/12/adam-sessler-on-live-biggots/
> Filed under: News, Xbox Live
> In his regular video feature, Sessler's Soapbox, G4TV personality
> Adam
> Sessler tackles one of the fastest growing and despicable trends
> in
> Xbox
> Live history; bigotry. In short, Sessler challenges Xbox Live
> users
> who feel
> the need to spew racist and homophobic remarks in order to convey
> their
> emotions during gaming to actually think about what they're
> saying.
> We
> encountered a similar experience while playing Uno during our
> last
> X3F LIVE
> event, where a kid--who couldn't have been older than 10, thought
> it
> was
> important to express all of the new slurs he had learned (from
> the
> schoolyard and probably also from his Xbox Live sessions).
> The issue is huge and disgusting. Sessler couldn't be more
> accurate
> when he says that we fight so hard to remove the negative
> stigma's
> attributed to gamers while ignoring the fact that we're becoming
> one
> of the
> biggest, and organized, bigotry groups in the world. Listen up
> because we're
> only saying this once. Yelling racial and homophobic remarks
> doesn't
> make
> you cool and it isn't funny to anyone else in the room, so ditch
> those
> comments and get more creative.
> Quit being the reason why we hate the service we pay for, it only
> makes
> us all look bad and removes all arguments that gaming is the
> revolution in
> connected entertainment. As now former Microsoft marketing exec
> Jeff
> Bell
> once said, "Your contribution to society is ... what?"
> The video can be found after the jump.
> Continue reading Adam Sessler on Xbox Live Biggots
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